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| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 140 Registered: 11-2005 |
I received a rather interesting mini-CD that is being distributed by Bibleinfo.com. To order more please contact It IS Written International at iiw.org or (888) 664-5573. "Bibleinfo.com is a registered trademark of Bibleinfo.com, PO Box 19460, Spokane, WA 99219 As usual, there is no mention that it is promoting or associated with the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Using the search function on the CD only produces two references to "Adventist", both quoting the The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary. ------------------------------ The main display page says, "Your Source for Bible Answers Bibleinfo.com helps people around the world discover what the Bible says about life's questions. Here you will find counsel, direction, encouragement, and help ó all from God's word. Todayís Topic: Disobedience Obeying God is in our best interest. It's in the Bible, Deuteronomy 30:15-16, TLB. "Look, today I have set before you life and death, depending on whether you obey or disobey. I have commanded you today to love the Lord your God and to follow His paths and to keep His laws, so that you will live" "Order Your Free eBook Your Bible & You by Authur S. Maxwell If you would like to understand more about the Bible, we have a free gift offer for you! There is absolutely no obligation. It is yours for the asking. You may receive a free copy of ìYour Bible & Youî simply by requesting it below. ìYour Bible & Youî is a timeless 254-page Bible Study Guide now on CD-ROM that you and your family will treasure for years. More than 2 million copies of this book are in print and Bibleinfo.com has brought it to CD! In addition to the Bible Study Guide, we have included a complete copy of the Bibleinfo.com website and the Online Bible, King James Version, a searchable Bible software for Microsoft Windows and Mac OS. To request the free CD-ROM, simply complete the form at the bottom of this page and it will be sent to you without cost or obligation." ------------------------------ Since the Holy Spirit is so central to our our ability to live under the "Law of the Spirit of life" (Romans 8), I did a search on Holy Spirit, and here is what came up: "Search Results for: Holy Spirit Search for: In Bible Topics: See all results (42) * Holy Spirit: The Holy Spirit is the source of truth. It's in the Bible, John 14:16-17, TLB. Read more... * Abuse: What counsel forbids physical or verbal spouse abuse? It's in the Bible, Read more... * Astrology: What does God say about those who consult with astrologers and use astrology Read more... * Baptism: What practice is closely associated with believing the gospel? It's in the Read more... * Bible: How did we get the Bible? God told the people that He chose what to say and Read more... Common Questions: See all results (9) * Does the Bible condone moderate use of these substances?: Let's look at some Bible examples of people who used alcohol, as well as the Read more... * Is it mentioned in the Bible?: Astrology is becoming popular, with many people regarding it to be a source of Read more... * Does it claim to be inerrant?: Inerrancy has been a claim by many who seek to defend the credibility of the Read more... * Who wrote it?: The prophet Moses began the first five books of the Bible sometime before 1400 Read more... * The unpardonable sin?: .Referring to Matthew 12:31 Jesus says, "And so I tell you, every sin and Read more..." ------------------------------ A search of the term "Sabbath Observance" produces: "Sabbath Observance For what purpose are we to remember the Sabbath day? It's in the Bible, Exodus 20:8, NIV. "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy." When according to the Scripture does the Sabbath begin and end? It's in the Bible, Leviticus 23:32, RSV. "From evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath." When does evening begin? It's in the Bible, Mark 1:32, RSV. "That evening, at sundown, they brought to Him all who were sick or possessed with demons." Work is not to be done on the Sabbath. It's in the Bible, Exodus 20:9-10, NIV. "Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates." What Sabbathkeeping counsel does Isaiah give? It's in the Bible, Isaiah 58:13-14, TLB. "If you keep the Sabbath holy, not having your own fun and business on that day, but enjoying the Sabbath and speaking of it with delight as the Lord's holy day, and honoring the Lord in what you do, not following your own desires and pleasure, nor talking idlyóthen the Lord will be your delight, and I will see to it that you ride high, and get your full share of the blessings I promised to Jacob, your father. The Lord has spoken." What Sabbathkeeping counsel does Nehemiah give? It's in the Bible, Nehemiah 13:15,19,22, NIV. "In those days I saw men in Judah treading winepresses on the Sabbath and bringing in grain and loading it on donkeys, together with wine, grapes, figs and all other kinds of loads. And they were bringing all this into Jerusalem on the Sabbath. Therefore I warned them against selling food on that day. When evening shadows fell on the gates of Jerusalem before the Sabbath, I ordered the doors to be shut and not opened until the Sabbath was over. I stationed some of my own men at the gates so that no load could be brought in on the Sabbath day. Then I commanded the Levites to purify themselves and go and guard the gates in order to keep the Sabbath day holy. Remember me for this also, O my God, and show mercy to me according to your great love. What evidence is there that the Sabbath was designed to be a day for public worship? It's in the Bible, Leviticus 23:3, NIV. "There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly." Jesus suggested that the Sabbath hours be used for doing good deeds. It's in the Bible, Matthew 12:11-12, NIV. "He said to them, 'If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." ------------------------------ but a search of the more important term "Sabbath Rest" (Hebrews 4) produces: "Search Results for: Sabbath Rest Search for: In No search results found." ------------------------------ Some more interesting pieces of information: "Ash Wednesday: Is it in the Bible? No, it is not. Ash Wednesday is actually of pagan origin and was admitted into the church beliefs of the Catholic Church a few hundred years after Christ. This was the era when Constantine was attempting to weld pagans and Christians into a unit within the Roman kingdom. Ash Wednesday is the first day of Lent. Roman Catholic churches of the Latin Rite use this service to prepare themselves for the passion and resurrection of Christ through self-examination, repentance, prayer, fasting, and self-denial. Ashes from the burned palms of the preceding year's Palm Sunday are blessed. With these ashes, the priest marks a cross on the foreheads of those who come forward and kneel, saying, "Remember, man, that dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return." (Genesis 3:19 KJV) From Biblical times, sprinkling oneself with ashes has been a mark of sorrow for sin. Those who honor Ash Wednesday add to this meaning of penance a second point; the need to prepare for a holy death. The churches of the Anglican Communion, as well as some other Protestant churches observe this day. Eastern Rite churches do not. Their Lent begins on the preceding Monday." and ------------------------------ "Denominations: Why are there so many? The Bible uses the historical symbol of Babylon to signify the confusing array of religion. God would like unity, but only lasting unity can be found in Him. To be in Him is to know Him, and to know Him is to follow (obey) Him. Denominations describe people groups who consent to follow a certain set of His instructions. Different denominations vary the content of the accepted truths in their set. Revelation 14:6-12 describes a group that will continue to accept the truths of Jesus Christ that have been dropped through the historical periods of Revelations 6:1-8. Study to know Christ and He will show you the way to complete truth." ------------------------------ A search of "New Covenant" produces the following: "New Covenant What does the Bible mean when it talks about a new covenant between us and God? The new covenant is the ultimate solution to human rebellion. It's in the Bible, Jeremiah 31:33, NIV. "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the Lord. "I will put My law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be My people." The new covenant comes through the death of Jesus Christ. It's in the Bible, Luke 22:20, NIV. "In the same way, after the supper He took the cup, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you." The new covenant means we can go directly to God through Christ. It's in the Bible, Hebrews 7:22, NIV. "Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant." There is forgiveness of sins only through the new covenant. It's in the Bible, Hebrews 9:14-15, NIV. "How much more, then, will the blood of Christ , who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God! For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritanceónow that He has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant." Under the old covenant, what did the people promise to do? It's in the Bible, Exodus 24:3, NIV. "When Moses went and told the people all the Lord's words and laws, they responded with one voice, 'Everything the Lord has said we will do.'" Under the new covenant, what does God promise to do? It's in the Bible, Hebrews 8:10, NIV. "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be My people." ------------------------------ There is a very truthful statement under: "Bible: Is the Bible a sole rule of faith (sola scriptura)? ... Probably one of the great errors made by so-called students of the Word is that they begin their study with preconceived ideas, and then go to the Bible to confirm them. Far better to get the cart and the horse reversed and go to the Bible first for the principles of life. Then evaluate their life and with God's help make the needed alterations. 2 Timothy 3:16 explains that the entire Bible is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. Though this does not say that the Bible is the sole rule of faith, it is clear that it will thoroughly equip a person with faith which results in every good work. Thus, there is no need to find other books or people to give us a rule of faith for it has all been provided in the Bible. Furthermore the Bible warns against accepting rules taught by men and gospels other than those preached in the Bible. (Mark 7:6-8; 2 Corinthians 11:4; Galations 1:6-9)" If only the Adventist Church would follow this admonition in regards to Ellen White! ------------------------------ A tab called Media Resources produces the following: " Resources Media Resources The following is a list of links to websites rich in multimedia resources and archives. * Adventist World Radio - Adventist World Radio reaches the people around the world, in their language, with the good news of the Bible. * It Is Written - A Christian television ministry. * LifeTalk Radio - A Christian radio network. * Message Magazine - Message magazine presents the Bible-based gospel of Jesus Christ to effect positive life-change and passionate virtuous living for today and eternity. * Positive Life Radio - A Christian radio network * Signs of the Times - A monthly four-color magazine that invites its readers to live as Christians in the modern world! * Three Angels Broadcasting Network - The worlds largest 24-hour Christian satellite broadcaster. It also has a streaming online broadcast. * Voice of Prophecy - Listen to broadcasts using the RealOne Player or check the listing for a local station." ------------------------------ There is also a "KidsBibleinfo.com" Gilbert (Message edited by jorgfe on February 11, 2006) | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2301 Registered: 3-2004  |
At least this one say it represents the Seventh day Adventist church. Diana | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 288 Registered: 10-2005 |
Gilbert - That is scary. I went to their "KidsBibleInfo.com" which is even more scary. Click on the "Topics" tab to the right and the first thing that comes up is the 10 Commandments. And here is one of many things they are saying to the kids about the 10 Commandments. Are we saved by keeping the law? Itís in the Bible, Romans 3:27-31, TLB. "Then what can we boast about doing, to earn our salvation? Nothing at all. Why? Because our acquittal is not based on our good deeds; it is based on what Christ has done and our faith in Him. So it is that we are saved by faith in Christ and not by the good things we do. And does God save only the Jews in this way? No, the Gentiles, too, may come to Him in this same manner. God treats us all the same; all, whether Jews or Gentiles, are acquitted if they have faith. Well then, if we are saved by faith, does this mean that we no longer need obey Godís laws? Just the opposite! In fact, only when we trust Jesus can we truly obey Him." I remember this so well in the beginning, the 10 Commandments, the hook. I went to the "About KidsBibleInfo.com" section, and there was no mention of the Seventh-day Adventist church. This is a bold deception. Just trying to look like everyone else. This is what happened to me when I was younger. I would watch, It is Written, go to another station and watch Charles Stanley. It was the same to me. | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 142 Registered: 11-2005 |
I found this statement to be a little odd, and out of context. Certainly they don't expect us to think that partaking of the communion cup is the central theme of the New Covenant. Why don't they mention Romans 8, for example, and the difference between the "Law of Sin and Death" vs "The Law of the Spirit of Life"? They state above: "The new covenant comes through the death of Jesus Christ. It's in the Bible, Luke 22:20, NIV. "In the same way, after the supper He took the cup, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you." The "It's in the Bible" is like a mantra that they keep hypnotically repeating over and over. I wish they would use that for supporting Early Writings, pages 54-55. Satan could also say "It's in the Bible". It's the context that counts. The untold emotional abuse caused by this blatant misquoting of scripture, as well as the false teachings of Ellen White, are just tragic. The way they also go after young children is dispicable. There has to be some way to alert the public to the deception that is going on here. These people have no conscience. If they didn't have anything to hide, they would be proudly proclaiming their association with the Adventist Church. It is, after all, THE Remnant Church. What a mission field! Gilbert | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1079 Registered: 10-2004  |
Oh, I know, Gilbert it got to be hypnotic just reading the quotes that you posted! It just makes me sick when they take Scripture out of context, and say "It's in the Bible"! Ugh! Speaking of which, they only quote the first half of Leviticus 23:3. The second half says that the Sabbath is not for public assembly, but is to be "in all your dwellings" meaning you're supposed to stay home like it says in Exodus 16!! It would be fun to create a spoof of their site... ;-) Like this:
See, you could even make an atheistsbibleinfo.com! Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on February 12, 2006) | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3396 Registered: 12-2003  |
Ha! But you're so right, Jeremy. You can quote anything out of context... Colleen | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 145 Registered: 11-2005 |
Jeremy -- that was good! You brought some laughter to my life. I wish we could laugh about it. What It is Written and Amazing Facts are doing is so tragic, and deceptive. I just pray that God can use me in some small way to expose these lies. Gilbert | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1081 Registered: 10-2004 |
Yes, it is very tragic. They are brainwashing people and making them think that their false doctrines are "in the Bible"! It's awful. I could make a similar section about Passover observance, like their "Sabbath observance" section, and claim that "it's in the Bible." But the question is, who were those passages addressing and for what period of history? I looked at their statement on whether the Bible is inerrant, and it is incredible. Here is the link: http://en.bibleinfo.com/questions/question.html?id=724 They even dicuss Matthew 5:17-18 but don't mention the "jot or tittle" part. They even plagiarize EGW--no hint that they're quoting (without quotation marks) from the writings of a false prophet! The worst part is where they say that JESUS is imperfect!
That is almost a direct quotation from EGW. Here is how she puts it:
And they also say on their website:
And here is a quote I found from EGW:
They (and Ellen) say that the Bible is a combination of the divine and human, just as Jesus is. And if this means the Bible is imperfect, then is Jesus imperfect? Also notice that EGW says that the Ten Commandments are "more" God's Word than the rest of the Bible. So I guess the SDAs have to test Paul's words by the 10 Cs, such as the 4th commandment??? They even seem to take the 10 Cs above the words of Jesus Himself! Oh, and notice she says that "it is true of the Bible, as it was of Christ, that 'the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.'"???!! The Bible is just as much a human being as Jesus is? What on earth?! Hmmm, sounds like antichrist gnosticism again... Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on February 13, 2006) | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3397 Registered: 12-2003 |
Jeremy, I just "got it" when I read that Great Controversy quote. (Sometimes I am so slow!) Ellen claims, indirectly, that the 10 Commandments are "more inspired" than is the rest of the Bible because they didn't have a human scribe/author. This reasoning explains the claim I hear repeatedly from my conservative Adventist relatives and such entrenched Adventist sources as 3ABN that the 10 Commandments is "God's Law", and the "ceremonial law" placed in the side of the ark was "the law of Moses". This distinction between God's law and the Law of Moses has been like a fog that obscures reality. I would just get increasingly internally frustrated because Moses got that handwritten law from God, thank you! This fact, though, never sways my Adventist loved ones. It's in a different category; it's NOT God's law--it's Moses' law because Moses, not God, wrote it. This spurious definition comes directly from Ellen; that's why they can so confidently state it without being stumped in the slightest when confronted with the reality that God, not Moses, originated the hand-written law. The human ingredient involved in Moses' transcription rendered it less-than-God's-law. By inference, all of the Bible except the 10 Commandments is less-than-inspired. The 10 is the only thing we can count on eternally. What heresy! It's such a pit of rationalization and confusion. If they don't come up with these elaborate rationalizations, they would have no choice but to abandon their beliefs. They truly do overwhelm one with words, and people are nearly powerless to wade out of the verbal flood unless they are well-grounded in Scripture. Colleen | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1082 Registered: 10-2004 |
EGW, in that quote above, compares the Ten Commandments to the Bible. She says that the Ten Commandments are better than the Bible--the 10 Cs are better than the words of Jesus, better than the Gospels, better than the New Testament (Covenant). Once again, EGW is opposite of the truth of God's Word--Hebrews tells us that the New Covenant is much better than the Old Covenant (the Ten Commandments). EGW says that the Old Covenant (the Ten Commandments) is better than the New Covenant! This always brings me back to: So how do we know that such an imperfect man as Moses wrote the Ten Commandments down perfectly, according to their reasoning? How can we trust the "written book of the Law" for the Ten Commandments part even? It's not like we have the stones to look at--since they weren't eternal and they disappeared! Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on February 13, 2006) | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 458 Registered: 5-2002 |
What, exactly, did God write with His own finger in that stone? Can anyone show me this from Scripture? | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 288 Registered: 5-2004 |
Are these the texts you were looking for? Exodus 31:18 When He had finished speaking with him upon Mount Sinai, He gave Moses the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written by the finger of God. Deuteronomy 9:10 "The LORD gave me the two tablets of stone written by the finger of God; and on them were all the words which the LORD had spoken with you at the mountain from the midst of the fire on the day of the assembly. | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 459 Registered: 5-2002 |
Yes, Esther, thank you! Did you notice that those verses nowhere state precisely what was written down on the stone? There's a whole lot of tradition and assumption that it was the 10 Commandments, but you won't find that in the Holy Scriptures. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1085 Registered: 10-2004 |
Wait a minute, doesn't it make it pretty clear that it was the Ten Commandments/Words? It says that it was what God had spoken to them, and in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 we're told what He directly spoke to them (the Ten Words). And here are some more texts which make it clear: "So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments." (Exodus 34:28 NASB.) "So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone." (Deuteronomy 4:13 NASB.) "These words [Deuteronomy 5:6-21] the LORD spoke to all your assembly at the mountain from the midst of the fire, of the cloud and of the thick gloom, with a great voice, and He added no more. He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me." (Deuteronomy 5:22 NASB.) "He wrote on the tablets, like the former writing, the Ten Commandments which the LORD had spoken to you on the mountain from the midst of the fire on the day of the assembly; and the LORD gave them to me." (Deuteronomy 10:4 NASB.) Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on February 14, 2006) | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 289 Registered: 5-2004 |
Freeatlast, Thank you for pointing that out. I just read those chapters in whole and only now realize that God spoke alot of words from Mt Sinai after the 10. God only paused, so that Moses could come and represent the people when they were so afraid. Wow. | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 460 Registered: 5-2002 |
Thank you Jeremy! I stand corrected (wiping egg off face) ;>) | ||
| Esther Registered user Username: Esther Post Number: 290 Registered: 5-2004 |
Oh yeah...well, it was a nice thought. I had a nagging feeling it wasn't that easy.  | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1086 Registered: 10-2004 |
Actually, though, the fact that the Bible says that the Ten Commandments are the covenant just makes it even clearer that it's the Ten Commandments (Old Covenant) that is obsolete and has disappeared (Hebrews 8) and that we are commanded to "cast out" (Galatians 4:30). The SDAs like to make a big deal out of the fact that the Ten Commandments were inside the "ark of the covenant," which they say means they are God's eternal moral law. Actually it means that the ark was made for the covenant (the stone tablets/Ten Commandments) to be placed inside it, and that they are thus the Mosaic Covenant which the NT tells us has been done away. Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on February 14, 2006) | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 977 Registered: 7-2004 |
I'm appalled to find that the Adventists can take a central scripture of the NC, Rom. 3:27-31, and make it about lawkeeping. Luther once said that if you understand this portion of scripture, you understand the whole of Romans; indeed, the whole of the Bible. It is clear that the Adventists have made that scripture to be about law, when they could be celebrating that there is "a righteousness from God that is apart from law that has been made known to which the Law and the Prophets testify." The Law and the Prophets testify of Jesus. The original language says that that righteousness from God is Chasms apart from law. That is like having an uncrossable canyon separating the righteousness from law. Only Jesus can bridge that gap. Only Jesus has provided within himself a perfection that fulfills and completes the needs of humankind when faced with the law. After spending the better part of my life trying to basically fulfill the needs of the law and experiencing how ineffective my abilities are against that perfect, holy law. I praise God for the day when I was able to understand that the promise for me lay in the first part of this quote from Romans, and that I was not held in bondage by the final sentence. Rom. 3:21-31(NIV): But now a righteousness from God, [chasms] apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand (all humans who lived and died before the cross) unpunished--he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. Do we, then, nullify the law by that faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. Notice that--we uphold the law by faith. Not by doing, but by trusting that everything that needed doing was done by Jesus Christ; trusting that from this point forward any doing that needs doing is done by the faith of Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit in our lives. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but it's all about trust. It's all about surrender. It's all about Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, none of me. My glory is all in Him. Any good I appear to be doing is His goodness. Any gift I may have is a gift from God and I'm grateful if he uses me as a conduit, but it is still about Him and not me. My love response to Him is faith, and not efforting at law keeping. If I were to even pretend to be able to uphold the law in any way I would be taking my eyes off of my Redeemer, my source of life, and that would be vanity. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3502 Registered: 12-2003 |
Belva, such a wonderful post. Thank you. You have perfectly stated the gospel and explained the spurious SDA interpretation of that Romans 3 passage. Jesus is Everything. Thank you. Colleen |
