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| Mwh Registered user Username: Mwh Post Number: 5 Registered: 4-2006  |
Greetings I've been talking with my Adventist friend about her beleif that Michael the Archangel is Jesus, not that she belives that Jesus is an angel, she belives that Michael is just another name for Jesus. I thought that the SDA church belived that Jesus was an angel the archangel Michael and now I'm a bit confused in this area of the SDA doctrines. It would be nice if you could point me to an official statement of beleif of the SDA church on this issue. Its clearer with JV, as usual SDA is a little bit more obscure in their beliefs. I can only find two verces in gods word which talks about the archangel and only one of them connects the archangel with Michael. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and Jude 1:9 The first might indicate that Michael is Jesus if you realy go far out. On the other hand the other realy indicate something different, like Jesus is used to rebuke the devil but here he is afraid to do that, sounds strange to me. But of course its logical if it realy isnt Jesus. Anyways the eyes of my friend is still closed to this argument and tells me that she is sure that Michael is Jesus because he receives praise and only God (The father, son and holy spirit) is worthy of praise. She has not shown me the verse where he receives praise though. I'm pretty sure if the bible speaks about this, it must be about a human being, being praised, like a prince or a king. If you have more information related to this heresy related to the SDA church please let me know. Also it would be nice to know more about how the understanding of the jewis people in regards to the archangel, for me it seems like the bible is a bit mute on this issue. Also, is it true that in the beginning of the SDA that the SDA church belived that Jesus was an angel or has they always belived that he was the son of God? If that is what they belive now. May the grace of our lord Jesus Christ be with you. Martin Willemoes Hansen | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 802 Registered: 1-2003 |
The bible also says Michael is "one of many princes". Jesus isn't one of many princes but God in human form. I attended a blasphemous SDA play before my kids left the SDA school system called Angels Aware. It was all about how Michael the Archangel shocked the other angels by offering to go down and die for us. Terrible! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 3869 Registered: 12-2003  |
Ellen White said Jesus is Michael the Archangel. Today Adventists know that is a troublesome claim, so they say it's "just another name for Jesus." They cannot deal with the actual Biblical references, such as Daniel 10:14 adn 21 that idedntify Michael as "one of the chief princes" and as Israel's prince, or angelic defender. For more information about what Ellen said, check out this link: http://www.truthorfables.com/Is_Michael_Christ.htm Colleen | ||
| Doc Registered user Username: Doc Post Number: 214 Registered: 2-2003 |
Wow Pheeki, that is appalling! Martin, I've never been SDA, but if I can help... The only other verses about Michael are: Daniel 10: 13 (the one which mentions "one of the chief princes"), Daniel 10: 21 and 12: 1 and Revelation 12: 7. There seems no indication in any of them of him receiving praise. What really speaks against his being Jesus is what you have already said, that he did not dare to rebuke the devil, and what Pheeki said, that he is only one of a group of beings, possibly "archangels." Archangels feature a lot in the Jewish literature of the intertestamental period, for instance in the book of Enoch, and also in the apocryphal book of Tobit. This is why, for instance, Gabriel is sometimes referred to as an archangel, because he is in the intertestamental books, though the Bible only calls him an angel (he is also in Daniel as well as appearing to Mary in the New Testament). In the intertestamental books, there are definitely groups of archangels, and not only one. This would probably have been the understanding of the Jewish people in the first century. Actually the verse in Jude is probably a reference to the apocryphal book called the Assumption of Moses, at least, according to the early Christian Bible commentator Origen. The incident is not in the Old Testament. Ellen White (though the teaching did not originate with her) explains that Michael, being Jesus, raised Moses from the dead and took him to heaven. He was therefore able to appear to Jesus and the disciples at the transfiguration, therefore lining up perfectly with the soul sleep theory - if Moses were dead he would not be able to appear. Josephus, the Jewish historian, on the other hand, as far as I remember, explains that Moses was alone when he died, so God sent Michael to hide the body so that the Jews would not find it and make an idol of it, like they did with the bronze serpent. I prefer that explanation myself. Hope it was not too complicated. God bless, Adrian |
