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| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1117 Registered: 3-2005 |
Well I got a postcard today in the mail from this Dr. Herschel Hughes, telling me that he has a personal message from God for the SDA church. The postcard looks the same as the picture on that website of his that I posted above. This guy is apparently doing a lot of mass mailing and he is bankrolled by someone. Very interesting... Stan | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 371 Registered: 8-2004  |
Maybe by his own business? He's apparently not terribly poor. | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 147 Registered: 10-2005 |
I'm glad to no longer be going to any adventist church. It is bible only for me. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2119 Registered: 3-2004  |
Lynne, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!!! I, too, am so glad I am no longer a part of the SDA church. Thank You Jesus for taking me out of it. Diana | ||
| Benevento Registered user Username: Benevento Post Number: 72 Registered: 4-2005 |
Just received a warning from an old friend and devout SDA regarding DR Hughes Here is the website. http://biblelight.net/hughes.htm Peggy | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 375 Registered: 1-2003  |
Dear friends, Last night Dr. Hershel Hughes spoke at the church I attend. I had already both read and heard from the internet his message. One of the things that impressed me was his comment that all of this had driven him into deeper study of his Bible. He seemed to theologically believe what he had been lead to speak but there were areas where he was still prayerfully studying and asking for Gods direction and understanding of the Bible. In Christ, Richard rtruitt@mac.com I must also say there was a wide range of reaction from those attending. More positive than negative I think?? | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 888 Registered: 7-2004 |
Richard, I pray that God has been prodding Dr. Hughes into doing what he has been doing. I think what Adventism needs is a sort of grass roots awakening, and if it is of God, since the truth was unable to get past the Glacier View Review Committee, then having the truth raise its head in this way is the way to go. Dr. Hughes is another individual that we should all hold up to Heaven in prayer. If a thing be of God, nothing can stop it. If it is not of God it will die on the vine. | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 376 Registered: 1-2003 |
Belvalew, In my heart and "spirit" there were things I did not resonate well with when I first heard the mp3 file online. These were not so much factual things but the manner of presentation. When I heard him in person at our "prayer meeting" I felt better and also I'd had more time to take what he was saying to prayer and ask for discernment. He gave a little more background on how it came about and also very humbly said he did not have the final answer on some of the things he received. BUT he was compelled to go back to the Bible and search them out for himself. I was able to ask some clarifing questions on a couple of points, he was not defensive or act upset. There was 30-40 people there and i'm sure a wide range or emotions. One lady left upset and my heart went out to her because I know how much she has grown in her Christian walk and yes she felt blindsided with what she heard. Many of us had already heard the message so were not surprised. In Christ, Richard rtruitt@mac.com | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 895 Registered: 7-2004 |
The R/S thread that is discussing Dr. Hughes has grown to be about 11 pages long. I was doing some more reading and found that Pastor O'Ffill contacted Dr. Hughes and received a canned reply from him. Dr. Hughes has taken a position and will not be moved because he truly believes he has been assigned the task of being a conduit of information for the Seventh-day Adventist people. I found the last three pages very interesting so I'm posting the link again for any of you who are interested as well. This link will start you on page 1 in case you need to do some reading to catch up-to-date. http://www.revivalsermons.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=841 | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1254 Registered: 7-2003  |
After reading all 11 pages, the only really "new" comment seemed to be that the church he supposedly spoke at claims he never did. But Richard said he actually spoke at his. So, he's got an audience somewhere. Whether or not "God" gave him this message or he's using that technique to make a point, he said some things I personally agree with. Maybe R/S's right in that he's an SDA that has become a FA without actually leaving? I wanted to ask B if he had seen anything about it (just to see how wide-spread it is), but he would find it as antagonistic even if it was just curiosity, so I've not mentioned it. Belvalew, you take a few potshots on that thread. It's too bad they can't recognize that if they truly are "saved", they're going to spend eternity with "us". What an awful thought that must be to most of them. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 898 Registered: 7-2004 |
That's okay, Melissa. That exchange happened around Christmas time and I have already apologized to Guibox for attributing the wrong gender to him. He's walking the fence, though. I've seen a couple of his posts at the Spectrum site, and he'd better be careful or Col will have him removed from posting privileges at R/S. You certainly have noticed by now that Walk has been handed his walking papers. I'm not gloating because I was handed my walking papers months ago. I still feel that these people are unwilling to truly look at the scriptures only when seeking the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Since they cannot seem to open the scriptures without have at least the Conflict of the Ages series open right beside it, they will never see God's beautiful gift to us. Until they can settle down and give God all the glory for His amazing act of redemption for each and every one of us, they will be constantly "working out their own salvations." That means they are living in houses of straw, and there will be a big wind blowing them around all of the time. On Christ, the Solid Rock, I stand! All other ground is sinking sand. Your Sister in Christ Belva | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 359 Registered: 7-2004  |
The message from Hershel Hughes is suspect to me because of the part about the rapture and the Jews. The Bible just isn't clear enough about the details of end time events and that idea is automatically suspect because it was unheard of until the 1800's when all kinds of other strange religious teachings began. Besides, the secret rapture gives people a second chance, and why should some believers be spared intense persecution when many, many others had to go through it. The Bible should be completely sufficient to clearly tell us all that we need to know--we don't need further revelation and clarification by a prophet afterwards. Having even one part of the message suspect sure puts a bad light on formers. It makes it easier for SDA's to trash any and all ideas from that message, even though the majority of the message is clearly supported by the Bible. It makes it look like we're just part of a deluding influence. Sure would be nice if SDA's could throw out EGW because she doesn't line up with the clear, essential doctrines of the Bible. | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 360 Registered: 7-2004 |
Maybe I should clarify my point a little further. At the end, all that really matters is what we did with Jesus, not whether we accepted the correct end-time event teachings. So I can't imagine why that would be a part of any genuine message from God. It's a non-essential that is not easy to figure out from the Bible alone. If God had wanted us to be able to figure out the details, it would be clearer in the Bible and not need to be revealed by a post-Bible prophet. | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 740 Registered: 1-2003 |
Wow...I went to the R/S thread...poor Christian is out there hanging alone. I had to jump in a little. I wonder if he is former SDA? He seems to know a lot about Ellen White. Things haven't changed over there. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 899 Registered: 7-2004 |
It is not my purpose to champion the rapture because I believe that belief in it is not a salvational issue. I've read books, however, that quote the early church fathers (300 A.D.) speaking about it. It is not a new theory that appeared in the 1800's. It is a belief that has been around for a long time. In fact, we all believe in the rapture, which merely means to be "caught away." The meat of the belief comes to "when" the rapture will occur, not whether it will occur. The moment your feet leave this earth as Jesus lifts you up, you will be "caught away." As for the part of the remaining Children of Isreal in the final scenes of earth's history I have only to look at the list in Revelation regarding the 144,000. There are 12,000 of each of the 12 tribes listed there. They will, indeed, have a duty to God to perform before earth is restored to Eden. Who are we to steal God's thunder in gathering back to Himself His Chosen People. I do not have to be a member of "Spiritual Isreal." I don't have to be a child of Isreal at all because I am a Child of God. | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 900 Registered: 7-2004 |
Pheeki, you rock! I've just finished reading your most recent posts on the subject thread and you have scored bulls eyes each and every time with just a sentence or two. (Message edited by belvalew on January 26, 2006) | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 741 Registered: 1-2003 |
Wow. Thanks. I just had to say something. I try not to upset them too bad but I cannot keep silent and let them pull Jesus down to the level of a fallible prophet! I cannot sit by and not tell them that Jesus has already come into His kingdom. I cannot sit by and let them call God a liar when He told Peter he had better not call unclean what the Lord God had made clean! I am glad you alerted me to what is being said over there! Apparently they visit here too...Welcome! | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 381 Registered: 1-2003 |
Melissa, has anyone ever "heard" Dr. Hughes claim to have spoken at a specific SDA church? I never have either in the mp3 message, on his web site or when I heard him speak in person. It is true that he is a current member of the University Church in Loma Linda but he never said that is where he spoke. ??  In fact when I heard him speak he very clearly said he had not spoken at the University Church. Another comment was made that he must be rich to have sent out the mailing. (which noone at my church had seen. ) When he spoke he said that the money came to him and when he went to the printer to pay for the printing he started to count the money as the printer added up the charges and when they both finished the amount both had arrived at was the exact same. All I'm doing is repeating what he said. I made a recording of the meeting but have not gone back to listen to it yet. In Christ, Richard rtruitt@mac.com | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 742 Registered: 1-2003 |
I put my 2 cents worth in over at Revival Sermons...but I have no desire to argue with them. It profits nothing. They are beating me up over there but I will not return it. Their theology cannot stand up to plain scripture and so they get angry but I am not angry back. | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 1228 Registered: 3-2005 |
Raven, I agree with you on this issue. I just clicked on the first post by Guibox to open that thread, and he makes many valid points. I don't believe for a minute that Dr. Hughes got this message directly from God. Too many suspect statements as Guibox and Raven mention. However, on the positive side if SDAs examine this message, there is a lot of scriptural truth that is there, and maybe it will lead more to search the scriptures for themselves. Stan |
