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| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2287 Registered: 11-2002 |
Could you all PLEASE explain to me the story of the destruction of the temple in 70 a.d. and how this was a fullfillment of prophecy. I do not understand how Nero fit in to it or any of it. Growing up SDA I can honestly say 100% that I never heard of this at all in the SDA church. However, in the Lutheran services I attend as well as several other demoninations I have gone to services at this historical event if referred to frequently and I feel like such an illerate because I just plain and simply don't have a clue what they are talking about. PLEASE explain. Thanks. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 4449 Registered: 12-2003  |
Susan, in Matthew 24 Jesus gave a prophecy about the coming trouble and the coming of the Day of the Lord. Most scholars believe that this prophecy has a dual fulfilment: the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 by the Romans, and the final tribulation before the second coming of Jesus. In AD 70, the Romans destroyed Jerusalem completely, and the Jews were scattered throughout the world. Never again did they inhabit Jerusalem or Judeaóuntil the state of Israel was formed in 1949. Even then, the state is political, but it is not a religious state. Israel today is not a nation of believers in Christ. Soóthe destruction of the temple was the fulfilment of not only Jesus' prophecy but also of prophecies in Daniel and Isaiah to which Jesus alluded in Matthew 24. Colleen | ||
| Brian3 Registered user Username: Brian3 Post Number: 57 Registered: 8-2005 |
Nero fits in to the preterist view of revelation that most of the book is about the fall of Israel in 70 A.D.. From Rev 17:10-11 NASB "and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. 11 "The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction." The following is from "Revelation: Four Views" by Steve Gregg Scheme 1: The five fallen: Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, Nero (Galba, Otho, and Vitellius are omitted since at least two, and possibly all three, were not counted as emperors.) The contemporary one at time of writing: Vespasian (A.D. 68-79) The short-time continuing one: Titus (who reigned two years) The eighth who is "of the seven": Domitian (sometimes called a second Nero) Scheme 2: The five fallen: Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius The contempary one at time of writing: Nero (died A.D. 68) The short-time continuing one: Galba (who reigned 7 months) The eighth who is "of the seven": represents the remainder of the emperors who will be of or like the former seven. (Message edited by brian3 on August 13, 2006) | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2289 Registered: 11-2002 |
So how does Nero fit into all of this? What about Anteiques Ephipheenes (sp!)? Isn't it all somehow worked together? What is the SDA teaching on this and how come growing up SDA I never heard of it? | ||
| Brian3 Registered user Username: Brian3 Post Number: 58 Registered: 8-2005 |
Nero was emperor when the Jewish war that culminated with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD began. He is also identified by the preterist view of Rev 13:16-18 NASB "And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six." Using english characters, the Hebrew form of "Caesar Nero" is Nrwn Qsr (pronounced "Neron Kaiser"). The value of the seven Hebrew letters is 50, 200, 6, 50, 100, 60, and 200, respectively. The total is thus 666. Most likely, the code utilized the Hebrew form rather than the Greek or Latin form of the name to avoid detection from Roman authorities, who would know both Latin and Greek, but not Hebrew. You would have never heard of any other interpretation of Revelation except for Historist in the SDA church because the whole denomination is built on requiring the Catholic church to be the Anti-Christ and that's about the only way to get there. Antiochus IV (Epiphanes) you would have never heard of in the SDA church because he was the major player in the fulfillment of the "2300 day" prophecy of Daniel 8:14 which of course is the bedrock of the 1844 beginning of the "Investigative Judgment"! Here's some information into the Antiochus Epiphanes story: http://www.truthorfables.com/Hanukkah.htm and here: http://www.truthorfables.com/2300_Days_by_Vowless.htm (Message edited by brian3 on August 16, 2006) | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2291 Registered: 11-2002 |
Brian, Thank-you. Growing up SDA when I learned Christian history we learned a lot about the Israelites, then some about Jesus and the deciples. Then we learned that God always had a few who kept his Sabbath truth such as the Waldensions and then the Seventh-day Baptists. Finily Martin Luther came into the picture and he was the beginning of the truth at the end, which was fullfilled in the SDA. Therefore, I NEVER learned Christian history and so often in church I hear references to different historical events and I haven't a clue what it is in referrence of. Thank-you very much for your info. | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 134 Registered: 6-2006  |
Susan, as a "never-been" I've never heard most of this history either. In fact, I'm just learning it now from hanging around in the boards. In my church it was never an issue, but now I'm finding out what important value it has! You can actually learn more on www.jewishencyclopedia.com Evidently the Jews have known all this history for years! (Haha) |
