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| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 246 Registered: 11-2005 |
http://blogs.ellenwhitenews.org/gjorgensen/2006/08/22/amazing-quotes-2/ I am just amazed at the lengths Historic Adventists will go to to rationalize this! Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Randyg Registered user Username: Randyg Post Number: 234 Registered: 12-2004 |
Gilbert, Most of us while still in Adventism never seriously read EGW and /or the Bible. I know I coasted for years without really reading either. This is the malaise one gets when you have been taught that you are the remnant because of a denominational afiliation and a day of worship. When I started seriously reading the Bible, the beauty, majesty and simplicity of the Gospel, and plan of salvation overwhelmed me. With a new perspective I wholeheartedly delved into the writings of Ellen White. I hadn't read her material in 30 years, and again I was amazed. Not for the beauty,majesty or simplicity of her presentation, but rather how opposite and different she was from the Gospel of the New Testament. I firmly believe that most Adventists do not understand the differences between the Biblical presentation of the Gospel, and Ellen White's presentation of the Gospel. Much of her material is fabricated, and is conjecture, and has little or no Biblical foundation. Many I have spoken to are afraid that if they look too closely at either the Bible, or EGW's writings, they will have to take a stand or make some tough decisions. They will have to choose one or the other because from where I stand you cannot totally believe in both because they are incompatable. For many Adventists just trying to ignore her and her influence is how they deal with the dissonance. It is however like a cancer, it continues to eat away at you and you know that at some point you will have to deal with the problem. Gilbert, thank-you for your ongoing commentary. Randy | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2005 |
Randy -- what a beautiful testimony! What you say is so true. Gilbert | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2305 Registered: 11-2002 |
"...a cloudy chariot". That's pretty weird stuff. But, it gets even more loony when she writes, "...a bell and a pomagranate" hanging from His hem. But, I do believe it is just plain blasphomus when she says, He was "trying to carry on the work of God". Like Jesus has to try? It sounds as though even Jesus is bound to a works based salvation. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1464 Registered: 10-2004  |
Actually, Susan, she is talking about Satan when says that. She says, "Satan appeared to be by the throne, trying to carry on the work of God." Which is also blasphemous. Jeremy | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2308 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jeremy, If there are degrees of blasphomy then the way you explained what EGW ment is even more blasphomus than the way I had understood it. Thanks for setting me stright. I am beginning to wonder why there even are any SDA's at all. How can the SDA's read and study their Bibles and then say, "I am SDA because I read and studied my Bible and even though there are errors in the SDA religion as no religion on earth is 100% perfect, at least I know from Bible study the SDA church teaches closest to total Bible truth of any church.". Yes, I actually have had SDA's tell me those very words! My very son, the one who threw me out and is the reason I am now homeless in Honolulu told me those very words just several months ago. I also have heard those words from other SDA's, too. Actually my son is not SDA but he says if he was to be any religion it would be SDA because the SDA is closest to the Bible. It's not. He's wrong. I'll pray about it and I hope you all do, too. | ||
| Nicole Registered user Username: Nicole Post Number: 16 Registered: 4-2006 |
susan_2, the remark you made about sda believing that their version of "truth" is the closest to the bible is exactly what my husband's father has always said when it comes to why he is a sda. i never challenged him on it-never really understood what it is they held to be "truth" and the source. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 4488 Registered: 12-2003  |
Nicole, how did your weekend go? I have been praying for you and your family and for your husband to be unmoved in the face of pressure... That line about Adventism being the closest thing to the Bible is the standard line they use among thenselves to rationalize the cognitive dissonance when their doctrines clearly don't mesh with the Bible. The "truth" to which they refer is the whole "package" of Adventist beliefs and practices. The true source of this package is the church's founders, primarily the "divine" stamp of authenticity flowing from Ellen's visions. They will never publicly say their "package" comes from Ellen because that admission would automatically place them in the cult category. Instead, they say all their doctrines are based on the Bible, and they find out-of-context proof-texts to support their argument. In reality, their doctrines are based on what Ellen said ABOUT the Bible. They use private interpretations (witness the ongoing confusion over the Sabbath School lessons this quarter about 1844) of the Bible to rationalize using it to support their false doctrines. Publicly, they will not acknowledge that their talk about the Bible means different things than the same words mean to mainstream Christians. Internally, however, they read the Bible through Ellen filters, and they keep this filtering system out of sight, pushing the Bible up front to further deceive and confuse people who THINK that anyone who claims Biblical authority is at least trying to be truthful. It's convoluted and confusing, but they are totally deceived by their own illogic. It takes a miracle of God to break through the spiritual darkness of the Adventist confusion and to bring an Adventist into the light of the gospel. Colleen | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 1062 Registered: 7-2004 |
There are lots of folks who are just plain lazy. Me included. All of my life I heard it said that Adventism was the closest to true scriptural Christianity, so rather than to really look into it, I simply accepted what was said, and parroted everything I heard in SS, bible classes, sermons, etc. Whenever I was asked what my favorite bible text was I would rattle off "John 3:16." I was a robot christian. I was programmed, but no flesh and blood in it--nothing self-generated. I know people who tell me that even now I can't be truly self-generating in my Christianity because I've read all of these anti-EGW books and that my views are only those expressed in those books. What I do know is that I've never cared or believed in what I care about to the degree that I now do. I do study the scriptures now, and only allow them to define what they say, and it is a truly living testimony of a living God that I find there. I've also come to realize that every person comes to grace by their own unique path. They may have had similar counsel along the way, but the way they apply it is their own. I know that I had nagging questions from the time I was a small child. Now I have curiosity and freedom to act on that curiousness. While I was still SDA I was afraid to see too much, or learn too much, yet I was inclined to think of myself as knowing more than most about the bible, because, after all, I'd spent years in bible classes all through my education. Other faiths don't do that! Other faiths don't have the distraction of EGW either! |
