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Dt
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Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 6:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I remember (I think...), a quote from EGW that says in effect that not eating meat will make us fit for the Kingdom.

I have searched the EGW Estate and have not found it. Does it exist?

Thanks
Jeremy
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Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 8:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dt,

Here are several quotes along those lines:


quote:

"Will the people who are preparing to become holy, pure, and refined, that they may be introduced into the society of heavenly angels, continue to take the life of God's creatures and subsist on their flesh and enjoy it as a luxury? From what the Lord has shown me, this order of things will be changed, and God's peculiar people will exercise temperance in all things. [...]" (Testimonies for the Church, Volume Two, page 63, paragraph 3.)

"The apostle Paul exhorts the church, 'I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.' Men, then, can make their bodies unholy by sinful indulgences. If unholy, they are unfitted to be spiritual worshipers, and are not worthy of heaven. If man will cherish the light that God in mercy gives him upon health reform, he may be sanctified through the truth, and fitted for immortality. But if he disregards that light, and lives in violation of natural law, he must pay the penalty." (Counsels on Diet and Foods, page 70, paragraph 3.)

"Those who have received instruction regarding the evils of the use of flesh foods, tea, and coffee, and rich and unhealthful food preparations, and who are determined to make a covenant with God by sacrifice, will not continue to indulge their appetite for food that they know to be unhealthful. God demands that the appetite be cleansed, and that self-denial be practiced in regard to those things which are not good. This is a work that will have to be done before His people can stand before Him a perfected people." (Counsels on Diet and Foods, page 381, paragraph 2.)

"[...] Meat should not be placed before our children. Its influence is to excite and strengthen the lower passions, and has a tendency to deaden the moral powers. Grains and fruits prepared free from grease, and in as natural a condition as possible, should be the food for the tables of all who claim to be preparing for translation to heaven. The less feverish the diet, the more easily can the passions be controlled. Gratification of taste should not be consulted irrespective of physical, intellectual, or moral health." (Testimonies for the Church, Volume Two, page 352, paragraph 1.)

"The light God has given on health reform is for our salvation and the salvation of the world. . . . The Lord has been sending us line upon line, and if we reject these principles, we are not rejecting the messenger who teaches them, but the One who has given us the principles. [...] Let those who have obtained a knowledge of how to eat, and drink, and dress so as to preserve health, impart this knowledge to others. Let the poor have the gospel of health preached unto them from a practical point of view, that they may know how to care properly for the body, which is the temple of the Holy Spirit." (Testimony Studies on Diet and Foods, page 193, paragraph 11.)




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Posted on Friday, September 15, 2006 - 8:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Here is another interesting quote that I found:


quote:

"We then went to the city and purchased for them flour, white and graham; sugar, a bone of meat, butter out of the question. We laid out $10 for clothing to make them comfortable, and necessary furniture to get along. I will tell you everything they had for breakfast--a few corn gems and a little beef suet fat. Not a chair; a straw bed and a comfortable laid over it. The children had an old rug and blanket laid under them. Sister Moore had no shoes, no comfortable clothing. He had no pants fit to be seen.

"Christmas morning we all took breakfast together--James Cornell; Florence and Clara, their two girls; Brother and Sister Moore and their three children; Sister Bahler and Etta, a girl living with them; and Sister Daniells, our cook, Father, and myself. We had a quarter of venison cooked, and stuffing. It was as tender as a chicken. We all enjoyed it very much. There is plenty of venison in market." (Manuscript Releases, Volume Fourteen, page 318, paragraphs 2-3 ["Written December 26, 1878"].)




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Dt
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Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 6:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jeremy,
Thanks. Your research skills are beyond compare.

DT
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Posted on Sunday, September 17, 2006 - 4:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jeremy, Do you have your own website where those EGW quotes are compiled for easy access for everyone to get at? It sure would be a good resource.
Jeremy
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Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 4:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dt, actually, most of those quotes I searched for because I had already known about them (or similar ones); and I copied the last one in the first post from another thread on here where I had posted it recently.

Susan, I don't have those quotes on a website, but maybe I should!

Jeremy

(Message edited by jeremy on September 18, 2006)
Esther
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Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 5:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm hoping someone can help me find a quote of Ellen's. A family remedy for severe nausea consists of placing a Tablespoon of Blackberry brandy in a cup of 7-up. This has been used for many years and really does work...amazing as it is that anyone in our family would touch alcohol and in prying I learned that it was gleaned from the illustrius writings of EGW :-) I've searched through all my more recent publications and can't find the offending quote and wondered if anyone else had heard of this or knew how to find it. I can vouch that it works, but am curious about it's origins.
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Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 5:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

To clarify, I guess, the original quote didn't include the 7-up, only that a little blackberry brandy was good for the stomach and better than not keeping anything down...
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Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 8:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Esther,

EGW never mentioned "blackberry brandy" in her writings. She did have this to say about brandy, though:


quote:

"Let every soul remember that he is under sacred obligations to God to do his best for his fellow creatures. How careful should everyone be not to create a desire for stimulants. By advising friends and neighbors to take brandy for the sake of their health, they are in danger of becoming agents for the destruction of their friends. Many incidents have come to my attention in which through some simple advice, men and women have become the slaves of the drink habit.

"Physicians are responsible for making many drunkards. Knowing what drink will do for its lovers, they have taken upon themselves the responsibility of prescribing it for their patients. Did they reason from cause to effect, they would know that stimulants would have the same effect on every organ of the body as they have on the whole man. What excuse can doctors render for the influence they have exerted in making fathers and mothers drunkards?" (Temperance, page 42, paragraphs 1-2.)




Maybe you should show that to your family.

She even gives instructions on how to can blackberries (and other fruits) without them becoming fermented.

She did admit to drinking wine on occasion:


quote:

"[...] Why are you so irresolute in purpose, so feeble in action, so vacillating in principle, so weak in faith? These things are a mystery to those who have an opportunity to become acquainted with you in the pulpit and at home. Elder Daniels, they see you one day strong and self-assured, next day they see in you a complete change. You affirm strongly things exactly opposite to what you affirmed as strongly the day before. If you were indulging in the use of wine, beer, or brandy, I could see a reason for this changeableness. But I sincerely hope that you will not form the habit of indulging in intoxicating drinks; for then Satan will be able to do with you what he will. The wine you recommended to be that which could be used freely and without evil effects, I used one tablespoonful for a time, but I was afraid of it." (Testimonies on the Case of Elder E. P. Daniels, page 12, paragraph 1.)

"I have not tested the wine that you claim is not intoxicating. I have perhaps used half a pint in all, taking a spoonful with a raw egg, much as I hate the taste of wine. I would not care, even if I had not solemnly pledged myself not to use wine as a beverage, to make a daily practice of taking even one teaspoonful with a raw egg, for Satan is at work to encourage the use of tea, coffee, wine, and beer, that he may make us dependent upon these things, and encourage our resorting to them frequently, so that our appetite and taste will crave these stimulants. I tell you frankly that you would be much better in nerve and muscle if you made a decided change in your practice, not only in drinking stimulating drinks, but in eating so largely of meat. The animal powers are strengthened by indulgence in these things, and the moral and spiritual powers are overborne. I am not guilty of drinking any tea except red clover top tea, and if I loved wine, tea, and coffee, I would not use these health-destroying narcotics, for I prize health, and I prize a healthful example in all these things. I want to be a pattern of temperance and of good works to others. Will my brother practice as well as preach temperance in all things? If you do this, I do not believe you will be so changeable in your character. [...]" (Testimonies on the Case of Elder E. P. Daniels, page 55, paragraph 1.)




She also blasted a man for not giving wine (and other "forbidden" foods) to his pregnant wife:


quote:

B has been very deficient. While in her best condition of health, his wife was not provided with a plenty of wholesome food and with proper clothing. Then, when she needed extra clothing and extra food, and that of a simple yet nutritious quality, it was not allowed her. Her system craved material to convert into blood, but he would not provide it. A moderate amount of milk and sugar, and a little salt, white bread raised with yeast for a change, graham flour prepared in a variety of ways by other hands than her own, plain cake with raisins, rice pudding with raisins, prunes, and figs, occasionally, and many other dishes I might mention, would have answered the demand of appetite. If he could not obtain some of these things, a little domestic wine would have done her no injury; it would have been better for her to have it than to do without it. In some cases, even a small amount of the least hurtful meat would do less injury than to suffer strong cravings for it." (Testimonies for the Church, Volume Two, page 383, paragraph 4.)




That above paragraph always amazes me, as she went against everything she said elsewhere! She must have felt guilty.

Jeremy

(Message edited by jeremy on October 21, 2006)
Esther
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Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 2:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hmmm...I will have to question them further on why they think this comes from Ellen. I just was hoping that it really did cause it totally contradicts everything else she ever said :-) But thanks for the research and those quotes.

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