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| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 198 Registered: 6-2006  |
Hi Friends, It's funny, I grew up Lutheran and we always had wine with communion. My parents would have wine on special occasions but I rarely saw it in the house. When I was young I never really cared to start drinking. I just HATED when people I knew felt the need to actually get drunk, upchuck, and then brag about it later. I guess I just "had a bad taste in my mouth" (sorry) about it. Anyway, after reading through this thread I feel that I have a new appreciation for wine! My husband and I went to dinner last Saturday night and I enjoyed a delicious glass of White Zinfandel. Not the fanciest of wines, but still, I thought of you all. Bobj, I can actually remember my first drink, but I can also count on my hands and toes how many drinks I've had in the the last 18 years! (And still have fingers and toes left when I'm done counting)  Leigh Anne | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2393 Registered: 11-2002 |
Provberbs 31:4-7; "It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes intoxicating drink; Lest they drink and forget the law, and pervert the justice of all the afflicated. Give strong drink to him who is perishing, and wine to those who are bitter of heart. Let him drink and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more." There you have it folks. Stright from the Word of God. | ||
| Cw Registered user Username: Cw Post Number: 117 Registered: 4-2006  |
I just finished moving several yards of dirt into a VERY large planter that I have spent 1/2 the summer building. I'm meeting my wife at a restaurant in an hour or so as she is on her way home from the Bay area after 3 days in a class in San Francisco. I'll have a large MGD beer with dinner to celebrate the earth moving and I'll toast y'all for the blessings and encouragement you have been these last several months. Kathy will probably have a glass of Merlot to celebrate the class. Cheers. CW | ||
| Riverfonz Registered user Username: Riverfonz Post Number: 2036 Registered: 3-2005 |
Hey Cw--It's Miller time! Stan | ||
| Timmy Registered user Username: Timmy Post Number: 34 Registered: 8-2006  |
(quoting the pharisees) Jesus said, "Look at him, a glutton and a drunkard." Mt 11:19 Lk 7:34 Do you ever wonder what a SDA would say about a "Former" if they caught him/her with a single glass of wine????? The similarities scare me If Christ came today, (eating and drinking)... who would accept him? | ||
| Wally Registered user Username: Wally Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2002 |
Thank you all for the kind words of welcome. Violet, yes I did post several times a few years back - must have been before the "post number" thing was started. I am not an SDA or a former - my wife is an SDA and I have been exposed to a tremendous amount about the SDA church over the past ten years or so. This site has been a blessing to me to learn more about the SDA church through the eyes of people who have been there. Colleen, I wanted to compliment you on your response to Pastor Newman's letter in the latest issue of Proclamation. I believe many SDA's (including my wife) would agree with what Pastor Newman wrote - but your points were right on. In my view, the SDA church adds something to the grace we receive from God - in Paul's word's, it is another gospel. Many SDA's don't or won't acknowledge this, but continue to support the church through their attendance even though they may be in a different place in their minds. The guilt associated with Sabbath observance (or not)is powerful, and must create a lot of confusion for SDA Christians trying focus on faith alone, grace alone, and scripture alone. Blessings. | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 199 Registered: 6-2006 |
Hi Wally! Welcome. I'm in the same boat as you - I'm a "never-been" who married into a very active SDA family. My husband is a backslider SDA, to the point of worshipping with me and our kids on Sunday, but still holds to the "truth". I was absolutely blessed when I found this group. (It's really a family!) Please feel free to share your thoughts as you're definitely not alone! Leigh Anne | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 362 Registered: 10-2002  |
Oh WOW, Timmy! Thank you for pointing out that text! I never noticed that! Matthew 11:19 / Luke 7:34 - "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they (the Pharisees, etc.) say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners'." Jesus said that He "drank", and the Pharisees (always pushing things to the extreme) accused him of being a "drunkard". Therefore Jesus' "drinking" was definitely not just grape juice! Likely they saw him having a good time with "sinners" and celebrating with them (i.g. Cana). Though they didn't believe John the Baptist, they respected him a bit more because he appeared more pious---not drinking, fasting more, etc. In our modern society we definitely do the same thing, thinking the abstainers & fasters are more righteous than those who do "drink" & eat. | ||
| Timmy Registered user Username: Timmy Post Number: 36 Registered: 8-2006 |
"we definitely do the same thing, thinking the abstainers & fasters are more righteous than those who do "drink" & eat." Amen Brother! We are the pharisees, and we are (hopefully were) totally set up to reject Christ just like the "Holy Rollers" of Jesus day did... (Message edited by timmy on September 22, 2006) | ||
| Timmy Registered user Username: Timmy Post Number: 37 Registered: 8-2006 |
Did you get a chance to read this passage, mentioned earlier in this thread? Straight form the book of the LAW. "You may spend the money (tithe) for whatever your heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires; and there you shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household. Deuteronomy 14:26 NASV (the NIV says "fermented drink" instead of strong drink.) I think it takes a four year degree in SDA theology to explain this away... | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 200 Registered: 6-2006 |
Timmy, that's VERY interesting! If you were an Adventist today, how would you explain it? Or how would any of you answer? Leigh Anne | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 4652 Registered: 12-2003  |
As an Adventist, I never really read that text. Even though I'm sure my eyes saw it, I didn't actually process it, relegating it to the murky category of ancient rituals. What I had been taught was far too strong to allow me to internalize that actual words of Scripture! Colleen | ||
| Timmy Registered user Username: Timmy Post Number: 38 Registered: 8-2006 |
Grace, They totally side step it and start talking about multiple heads, horns, talking horns and attonement. On the day of attonement the jews didn't drink strong drink, and they say we are now living in the anti-typical day of attonement. So all those text that suggest wine drinking is O.K. does not apply today... (it's another gospel) "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-- 7 which is really no gospel at all." Galatians 1:6,7 | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1512 Registered: 10-2004  |
The SDA's Biblical Research Institute says that God was punishing the people for being late to the party by making them drink alcohol! No, I'm not kidding. Actually, though, the text doesn't even say that they had to drink alcohol, but that they could have: "whatsoever thy soul lusteth after" (as the good ol' KJV puts it! ;-)). Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on September 22, 2006) | ||
| Violet Registered user Username: Violet Post Number: 486 Registered: 2-2001 |
The key that the SDA use is that a true SDA would not desire strong drink so they would not indulge. | ||
| 91steps Registered user Username: 91steps Post Number: 100 Registered: 8-2005  |
What cracked me up was the folks in the Health and Temperance Dept had NEVER smoked, drank or used drugs. Now when I went through the police academy, our instructors were police with many years experience. They didn't get someone who to teach us who had never been on the street and only learned their trade from a college. I offered to assit the H&T Dept with their work by giving talks on how alcohol affected my life and they turned me down flat!! | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 366 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wow, Jeremy. Did they really say that? It's not only incredibly crazy, it's more than that... it's cheesey!! How can anyone believe anything that cheesey? (lol) | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1513 Registered: 10-2004 |
Here's what they say:
Jeremy | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 369 Registered: 10-2002 |
Eeek. They almost make it sound like a Biblical idea. Though they miss the absence of condemnation from God... instead God smilingly tells them to have a good time---no condemnation. Additionally, since the family would feast on the sacrifice, the "penalty" of using an ox would make for a bigger feast... how terrible! Another gaping oversight, however, is the simple fact that if beer/wine existed in Israel (being available to be bought, sold & drunk), then beer & wine were definitely not prohibited or condemned by God in the Torah. | ||
| Timmy Registered user Username: Timmy Post Number: 39 Registered: 8-2006 |
Jeremy, That is insane. I have been told many times that former SDAs take the Bible out of context, but what do they call that? Were do they get their information? I can't help but think they make it up as they go. What part of "Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice." do they not understand??? If I were punished for a late tithe because I lived to far away... I would not rejoice at all! Thats just plain stupid. (skuse my french) This is not about alcohol. This is an example of how far they will go to alter the most simple and straight forward statements in the Bible to support the views of her holiness... EGW. If a person has allowed his mind to believe such twisted explainations, you could belive anything... I no longer wonder how the Mormans can believe in Joe Smith... I need to go cool off. Thanks for your post. Tim |
