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| 91steps Registered user Username: 91steps Post Number: 85 Registered: 8-2005  |
My "former" church, the Glen Burnie SDA church will be hosting a Revelation Seminar starting 24 Sept 2006. Here is a link to their web-site: http://www.tagnet.org/glenburnie/revelationseminar.html. I am praying that the people that receive the flyers for the seminar will do some serious praying and soul searching before they decide to attend. My wife and I came into the church via Amazing Facts Revelation Seminars. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2800 Registered: 3-2004  |
Praying 91steps. Father in Heaven, you are so gracious and patient with us. Please be with all those people who will be attending this seminar that they will see the truth of the teachings and cling to Jesus. Open their eyes to the teachings and take any veil off the eyes, ears and minds. Thank you God. You are so awesome. Diana | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2359 Registered: 11-2002 |
"Modern prophets and visions". I assume that topic will extol EGW. If I saw that ad I'd warn people to stay away, stay far away from it, unless they are firmily grounded in the bible and with the gosple of Jesus so they can know what they will be up against when wittnessing to SDA's. | ||
| 91steps Registered user Username: 91steps Post Number: 87 Registered: 8-2005 |
One of the things that sat wrong with me was that they waited about 2 weeks before moving the seminars to the SDA church from the high school. That seemed very, very deceptive to me, and like a fool I ignored that little gut feeling that had served me so well in my life. But praise the Lord I was able to study my Bible and determine that the SDA church is NOT the church they claim to be. | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 813 Registered: 1-2003 |
I have a friend who married an SDA. She is Baptist...anyway, she has been attending church with him but finally said, "I can't do this anymore!" She said they say "Evangelicals" like it's a dirty word...and she considers herself evangelical...I looked it up and can't understand why SDA are so opposed to the term Evangelical! _________________________________________________ 1. Pertaining to or in keeping with the gospel and its teachings. 2. belonging to or designating the Christian churches that emphasize the teachings and authority of the Scriptures, esp. of the New Testament, in opposition to the institutional authority of the church itself, and that stress as paramount the tenet that salvation is achieved by personal conversion to faith in the atonement of Christ. 3. designating Christians, esp. of the late 1970s, eschewing the designation of fundamentalist but holding to a conservative interpretation of the Bible. 4. pertaining to certain movements in the Protestant churches in the 18th and 19th centuries that stressed the importance of personal experience of guilt for sin, and of reconciliation to God through Christ. 5. marked by ardent or zealous enthusiasm for a cause. 6. an adherent of evangelical doctrines or a person who belongs to an evangelical church or party. _______________________________________________ She says she doesn't see a lot of joy there at the SDA church and no one welcomes her...also they talk about things like the "Great disappointment" and the "IJ" in the Sabbath school classes, which she pointed out to her husband that date setting was a sin! I told her I was so happy she wasn't duped into joining...if she hadn't been already saved and grounded in the "Word"...she might have been! She also observed that with the SDA, it's the Sabbath that they worship! I gave her the website address of this site so she may be visiting for support. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1495 Registered: 10-2004  |
"...that stress as paramount the tenet that salvation is achieved by personal conversion to faith in the atonement of Christ." They object to that. They also object to: "that emphasize the teachings and authority of the Scriptures, esp. of the New Testament, in opposition to the institutional authority of the church itself" and "a conservative interpretation of the Bible" (which includes the verbal inspiration and inerrancy of Scripture) Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on September 12, 2006) | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 194 Registered: 6-2006  |
Jeremy, isn't that sad. You really hit the nail on the head. Pheeki, please tell your friend that I'm in the same boat! I spent years (9 altogether) attending church with my husband and having questions and frustrations every week that I went. My husband stopped going, but still has the "truth" ingrained in his inner most being. Your friend will have lot's of support here! Diana, I loved your prayer! Amen.  Leigh Anne | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 4599 Registered: 12-2003  |
Jeremy, you are absolutely right. I also remember from my own experience that many Adventists think of "evangelicals" as "anti-intellectual". They consider them narrow and closed-minded, foolish enough to consider the Bible inerrant. The great surprise for me was discovering that the best minds I've encountered are among the evangelicals. Think of CS Lewis, Dallas Willard, Tozer, and countless others...I believe that knowing Jesus clarifies one's actual ability to think. Reality is clear, and it's possible to evaluate ideas against a backdrop of truth. Colleen | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 2807 Registered: 3-2004 |
At least through that web site the SDA church is identified. I will give them credit for that. Diana | ||
| Jdpascal Registered user Username: Jdpascal Post Number: 16 Registered: 10-2003 |
It must be the fall evangalistic season - ie. Adventist's hunting season. This is what the adventist church thinks "Evangelical" really means. The local church is advertising a Doug Batchelor "most amazing prophecy" series. Wonder of wonders, the meetings are at the church and not the local Legion or Elks club hall. The ad says that Doug "has helped countless people around the World to better understand the bible for themselves". Sounds to me like either a contradiction or he is standing in for or taking the place of the Holy Spirit who is to lead us to all understanding.... This is just people letting Dougie boy do the interpreting for them. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2366 Registered: 11-2002 |
When Martin Luther was busy leading people away from indulgences he really did not intend for a new denomination to start up. Finily after a long time he realized a new denomination was starting and the people were calling themselves Lutherans. Martin Luther did not like that, he was a humble man. He had insisted if they were going to have a new denomination they call their denomination Evenganicals, or The Evengicial Church. A lot of Lutheran congreations are now going back to that and the fact that it is a Lutheran church just may be in the fine print. I guess that is o.k. as the Society of Friends is comminally referred to as Quakers and it's the same organization with their common name and their formal name. | ||
| Nicole Registered user Username: Nicole Post Number: 22 Registered: 4-2006 |
why don't other churches in the area have a seminar at the same time that these "revelation seminars" take place. one that would reveal who is actually behind the seminars and one that would spread the true message from the gospels. i guess they (non-sda churches)are just not educated in what the seminars are actually about? i remember being taken to one when i first started dating my husband, actually the first "family function" i was invited too. | ||
| Melissa Registered user Username: Melissa Post Number: 1480 Registered: 7-2003 |
Nicole, that assumes other churches understand the heresy in the seminars....and unfortunately, many don't have a clue. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 4608 Registered: 12-2003 |
Wow, Nicoleówhat a "family function"! Melissa's rightóother churches generally don't have a clue. Colleen | ||
| 91steps Registered user Username: 91steps Post Number: 89 Registered: 8-2005 |
Jdpascal, I see you are not a fan of his highness Doug B either? I used to respect him until he did a series of meetings at the GC last year, and I lost ALL respect for him. What was really sad was how he had a flock of college kids from all over the US come to help him. They treated him like the 2nd comming. | ||
| Jdpascal Registered user Username: Jdpascal Post Number: 17 Registered: 10-2003 |
It isn't just Doug B. I can not think of an SDA "evangelist" that I care for. They all seem to have a TV presence about them that they use for public consumption but the REAL person is so obviously entirely different when you are around them for awhile. The TV presence is SO transparent too. They just give me the 'willies'. (no offence to anyone by that name). I have to make myself stop and think that God loves them and died for them too. On top of spreading a false gospel and a gospel of fear, it has to be hard to stay humble and genuine in the face of crowds of people treating them like the "second comming". At the same time, I can't(won't)tolerate their actions and demeanor. | ||
| Jdpascal Registered user Username: Jdpascal Post Number: 18 Registered: 10-2003 |
It isn't just Doug B. I can not think of an SDA "evangelist" that I care for. They all seem to have a TV presence about them that they use for public consumption but the REAL person is so obviously entirely different when you are around them for awhile. The TV presence is SO transparent too. They just give me the 'willies'. (no offence to anyone by that name). I have to make myself stop and think that God loves them and died for them too. On top of spreading a false gospel and a gospel of fear, it has to be hard to stay humble and genuine in the face of crowds of people treating them like the "second comming". At the same time, I can't(won't)tolerate their actions and demeanor. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2377 Registered: 11-2002 |
I knew george Vandaman. He was a very nice and dear man. | ||
| Jdpascal Registered user Username: Jdpascal Post Number: 20 Registered: 10-2003 |
No doubt there are good men in those positions. I admit that I have a jaundiced view of public evangelists/pastors and the system that supports it in the SDA church. It is based on at least three that I have known personally to one degree or another. They were all very sincere ñ in their desire to sign you up as an SDA member by any means possible ñ after that good luck, have a nice life. That is why I have to and want to remind myself that God loves them and died for them too. Maybe my sample is too small to support my conclusions but I can't abide the denominational deception and corruption that goes on. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 4616 Registered: 12-2003 |
Jdpascal, I admit I have the same view you do. After working for a televangelist years ago, my viewpoint has been pretty permanently molded... The evangelist I worked for, incidentally (your post reminded me of this, Susan) used to study George Vandeman's tapes (so his production staff reported) and practice modulating and expressing himself in a Vandeman-esque manneróyou know, the smile, cultured voice, smooth delivery, etc. Colleen |
