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| Mwh Registered user Username: Mwh Post Number: 274 Registered: 4-2006  |
I remember seeing a documentary about the Branch Davidians and David Koresh. Since the members of Branch Davidians mostly were former SDA's they knew the writings of Ellen White pretty well, and I remember from the documentary that Ellen White had predicted that someone else would come after her, I'm not sure if it should be a prophet or an "anointed one" or something like that, well the idea was that the ex SDA's thought that David Koresh was that one who was to come. Now can anyone shed some light on this one? Has Ellen written about anyone who should come after her? In Christ | ||
| Susans Registered user Username: Susans Post Number: 110 Registered: 8-2006 |
Mwh, I don't recall Ellen saying anything about someone coming after her. Other "prophets" have arisen because of the acceptance of EGW. After all, the remnant church does believe in progressive revelation, so that leaves the door open for other prophets before Jesus returns. There are "prophets" in many regions of the SDA church now, Soo comes to mind. I'm not sure if she is still actively prophesying, though. There was also a woman in France, if I recall correctly. Susan | ||
| Mwh Registered user Username: Mwh Post Number: 277 Registered: 4-2006 |
Thanks for clarifying that issue Susan. That brings up a lot of questions in my mind: 1. How does SDA deal with these prophets? 2. What new light are they bringing to the "church" / cult. 3. How many are claiming to be prophets. 4. How conscious is the members of these prophets. Like do the Brazilian SDA's know about the French prophet. Are they announced or written about by the upstream leadership? In Christ | ||
| Snowboardingmom Registered user Username: Snowboardingmom Post Number: 206 Registered: 11-2005 |
Mwh, Like Susans, I am not familiar with Ellen saying anything about other prophets that are given to the Adventist church. Adventism isn't like the Mormon church where the conference actually continues to have an on-going modern-day prophet for the Church. There may be "prophets" that prophesy that are Adventist, but they are not endorsed or utilized by the conference to make current decisions. When I was growing up, I asked my pastor once if there would be another prophet that came closer to the end of time to give us more "up-to-date" information. He said anything is a possibility with God, but he didn't think it was likely. He said between the Bible and EGW's writings, we have everything we need to know to get through the time of trouble. This pastor was a pretty mainstream, traditional Adventist, so I think most Adventists would feel the same -- Ellen adequately "supplemented" the Bible, she is enough. Grace | ||
| Susans Registered user Username: Susans Post Number: 117 Registered: 8-2006 |
Mwh, It's been many years since I've been involved in Adventism, but my best guess at answers would be: 1. The SDA church has not officially recognized anyone to have the prophetic gift after Ellen White. She is "God's messenger to the remnant people". 2. The little I've read they are not really bringing anything "new" to the church, but mainly some variations on what EGW or the Bible has said. I think that one prophet was concentrating on delivering direct messages from God as to how much He loved them. Others have had "present truth" about end time scenarios. 3. There really aren't that many. I have heard of less than a handful. I believe there is a man who claims to be a prophet now, and the two women I mentioned earlier. 4. The members at large are likely not familiar with these prophets. They move mostly in the fringe and far right wing groups. If a Brazilian SDA was in a far right wing group like say, Ron Spear's firm foundation crowd or the Standish brothers (who each btw I don't think would endorse another prophet) then they might hear through that group or the prophet's own newsletters or such. I believe once I read in the Review a blurb denouncing the woman in France, but honestly, I don't remember. As Snowboardingmom said, most Adventists believe that the bible and the writings of Sister White are all we need to go through the time of trouble. They look at the bible as a large, globe overview for the church, and Ellen's writings as a state map for the remnant people, in much more detail, filling in where the bible is either silent or does not give a lot of detail. The published pages of EGW's writings number well over 100,000. I think that's quite enough to keep the average Adventist very busy reading.  But, as you pointed out, a fair number of Adventists followed David Koresh. I suppose, if someone came along who satisfied the 'tests of a prophet' in the same way Ellen did, the organized church might stand up and take notice, but personally I don't believe that will ever happen. Blessings to you, Susan | ||
| Seekr777 Registered user Username: Seekr777 Post Number: 608 Registered: 1-2003  |
I had to smile as I read the above. In my connections among SDAs I don't know any of those you are mentioning in fring groups on the right. I do know of a couple of individuals who do NOT claim to be prophets in the OT fashion, but who feel God is quietly speaking to them in prophetic dreams and words which are calling SDAs out of the SDA church and into a New Covenant relationship with Him instead of into traditional SDAism. In Christ, Richard rtruitt@mac.com | ||
| Susans Registered user Username: Susans Post Number: 120 Registered: 8-2006 |
Hi Richard, I believe the spiritual gifts operate today, and I do not dispute what you are saying. I think the difference in what you state and what MWH asked is that he wanted to know if there would be another prophet after the order of Ellen White. Blessings, Susan | ||
| Aliza Registered user Username: Aliza Post Number: 66 Registered: 8-2006 |
As I recall, EGW squashed quite strongly anyone who thought they had prophetic messages while she was still alive. But I've never heard or read anything official. | ||
| Lindylou Registered user Username: Lindylou Post Number: 161 Registered: 1-2005  |
I remember how some of the rationale and explanation for "The Spirit of Prophecy" in the SDA church came from verses such as Joel 2:28-32. As an SDA this always puzzled me - how could these verses be used to justify EGW as the SDA prophet but no others? When I got involved in the "Message" offshoot in the late 80's - the very same reasoning that SDA's applied to the authenticity of EGW as a prophet made sense to me to apply to the dreams, visions and prophecies that came to some in so called "messages". I never understood people's arguments against my beliefs. I thought, "Why should the "spirit of prophecy" begin and end with EGW? Why weren't SDA's open to other prophets? Even tho I have long since seen the "light" and have far removed myself from adventism and the even more cultic "message" movement, I still don't understand how my fanacticsm was considered wrong in a church that has tried to explain their prophet by the words of Joel. I just don't see Ellen's name in those verses! | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1613 Registered: 10-2004  |
Good points, Lindylou. In fact, since the SDAs apply the passage to the "last days" (meanning "now"), then where are all the sons, daughters (plural), old men, young men, and male and female servants prophesying in the SDA church?? Mwh, yes Ellen did predict (as the Branch Davidian SDAs say) that someone else would come:
However, in the appendix, the White Estate claims that she was actually talking about herself!
Yet, she very clearly said, "...when he appears, men may say..."! The SDAs probably came up with the explanation that it was herself that she was talking about just so they wouldn't have to deal with people claiming they were the one being referred to! As for current "prophets," I think that Soo (mentioned above), who came to the USA from Laos, is receiving quite a bit of publicity and is being accepted/endorsed by many mainstream SDAs. In fact, some far right-wing folks (such as sdadefend.com) do not accept her. Here is a previous post of mine with some links to more info about Soo. Her "angel" guide supposedly predicted 9/11 and told her that something worse would happen in 2005 and then a Sunday law would come--which is now a failed prophecy! Soo learned about "the Second God" from her Buddhist father, and the Adventists think that refers to Jesus! They don't seem to have any problems with the blatant polytheism involved--I wonder why! Jeremy (Message edited by jeremy on November 12, 2006) | ||
| Mwh Registered user Username: Mwh Post Number: 290 Registered: 4-2006 |
Jeremy, thats so interesting, I wonder if the Branch Davidians and others have a refusal for the SDA commentary. Oh my the SDA-organization so reminds me of the Watchtower, redefining the past to stay in control. | ||
| Mwh Registered user Username: Mwh Post Number: 291 Registered: 4-2006 |
Found this: "8. [The SDA Church] Failed to inform church members of Elijah's message: Mal. 4:5; Testimonies to Ministers, page 475; Volume 4, pages 402, 403." On http://www.shepherds-rod-message.org/1sr/1srsec1doc.html I cant seem to find Volume 4 on the Internet though, if anyone can find those two pages, let me know. In Christ | ||
| Susans Registered user Username: Susans Post Number: 130 Registered: 8-2006 |
Jeremy, As always, such a fount of information! Thanks for the link, and I had no idea Soo was being accepted in mainstream Adventism. I wonder if the same "angel" who predicted 9/11 also showed EGW the tall buildings burning like pitch and the fire trucks couldn't put out the flames? (Many Adventists use this "vision" as the prediction for the Trade Towers destruction, as some of you may not know) Seems I recall a man who drove a bus, perhaps a school bus who has been receiving visions...I may have read it in a conference paper at my friend's house. Susan | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 629 Registered: 7-2004  |
Susan, yes I was thinking about that same guy getting visions driving a school bus. It was posted on here a year or so ago. I believe he's in Kansas, but I especially noticed because he came here to Ohio (on invitation) and spoke about these visions in one of the SDA churches we used to attend regularly. This was after we left the SDA church and of course I had no interest in seeing him. But it was a little spooky when I saw his picture in the church I recognized and had been a part of. I was just reminded of him a couple weeks ago when someone at our current church, who is a school bus driver, was talking about how distracting and dangerous it is that one of the drivers is always on the cellphone. I didn't say, but I thought "that's nothing, I know of someone who has visions while driving the school bus...now that's really dangerous!" | ||
| Susans Registered user Username: Susans Post Number: 131 Registered: 8-2006 |
I had to laugh at your last sentence, Raven! How true! I could not remember where I read that article, but it may well have been from a link on this site, since I've lurked for many years. I think I saw him sitting in a church with a stained glass window in the background. Perhaps that was your former church. Thankfully, we have a more sure word of prophecy - the Holy Scriptures. The One who wrote them loves us infinitely. We love Him because He first loved us. Thank you Jesus. Susan | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 630 Registered: 7-2004 |
Susans, Here's the link to the post you're referring to: http://rtinker.powweb.com/discus/discus/messages/11/2975.html#POST39536 If you click the link in that post, you will see him (name is Steve Tanner) giving his talk in front of a stained glass window. This isn't the church we left from, but it is one we attended for a couple years, much earlier. BTW, the article is not completely accurate. It says the lecture was given in Miamisburg. We left from the Miamisburg church, but I recognize from the photo this was actually in the Centerville church, just the next town over. (Message edited by Raven on November 13, 2006) | ||
| Susans Registered user Username: Susans Post Number: 135 Registered: 8-2006 |
That's it, Raven, I remember reading about it now. Interesting concepts brought up there and on the Soo thread about how these visions and people are being regarded in the church. One thing that struck me was a similar personage of EGW and Soo...both frail, sickly, the "weakest of the weak" if you will and interesting that the angel would tell her the SDA church is the true church of the last days and which books and evangelists to contact. Could it have been the same "angel"? I would not be surprised to find this thought crossing the mind of Adventists, but with a different conclusion. As Colleen said on another thread regarding the tightly woven system of beliefs that so mimic Christianity...food for thought. Susan Thanks, Susan | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3016 Registered: 3-2004  |
When I was an adventist I remember hearing about someone in a foreign country that was told to look for the "little red books" and that was the correct church. Now I think, if that was an angel from God he would have told about Jesus and the Bible, like the former moslem lady I met at church last year. She told me, that God talked to her in a dream and she eventually became a Christian. So, in my mind, I am sure who the angel is from. For the adventists, this gives lots of food for thought. I continue to pray for them. God is so awesome. Diana |
