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| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2402 Registered: 11-2002 |
I went to a town that has an ABC store so I went in and bought a book called, "Seventh-day Adventists Believe" which is a 446 page book explaining the 28 Fundamentals. I just bought it several hours ago so haven't had much time to go through it yet. However, after reading the chapter on the Diety of Jesus I think I'll be in for a lot of perverted 'Christanity'. I bought it because I frequently have Christians of other faiths, especially Lutheran as I attend Lutheran services weekly, but others, too, tell me they think the SDA organization is very mainstream Christian with the exception of being vegetarian and having their weekly service on Saturday. Now I can show them right from the source in the SDA's own writings how very off the SDA church is from basic Christianity. Have any of you looked at this book? Any comments? Am I onto something in going at it in this manner? I hadn't been in an ABC in around 15 years. I was shocked! Rows and rows of Joe Crews books and Doug Batchlers Amazing Facts things. As I read through the book I'll let you all know some of the more interesting things I come across. BTW, Hi, everyone, once again. I wish I could post more often but I don't own my own computer and I have to go to the library to use one and it is very inconveinent so I hope all my FAF friends are o.k. and I do try to at least keep up with reading what you post even though I don't have time to post myself. | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 741 Registered: 8-2004  |
Hi Susan! You've been missed! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 5072 Registered: 12-2003  |
Good to see you here again, Susan! Colleen | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3131 Registered: 3-2004  |
Susan, So good to see you posting again. I think what you did was good. I gave my minister about 4 books written by former SDAs so he would know what they believe. Then the minister who rents his church to SDAs, only 5 min from me, I gave a book by D. Ratzlaff. I need to buy some more to give to other folks as needed. You will be able to use that book. Diana | ||
| Susans Registered user Username: Susans Post Number: 244 Registered: 8-2006 |
Welcome back, Susan! And nice to "meet" you. (from another Susan) | ||
| Cforrester Registered user Username: Cforrester Post Number: 55 Registered: 7-2004 |
That book has been out for some time. My version is 27 fundmentals and is copyright 1988. I confess I've not deeply read the section on God the Son, but would speculate that you will not find serious problems. That is not to say that many Adventists historically haven't had a few (ahem) issues on both the divinity and humanity of Christ, to the point of being quite "arian" (Christ a create being, not fully divine, etc). Even today some deny the trinity and hold that Christ was created. I will say that when I read myself back into Christianity I was rather shocked to find out that Christ was the creator and fully God. So, that tells me that either I was taught something else growing up, or those facts were not emphasized, or I goofed off to much. Probably all a blend of all three. But the "official" position is considered orthodox. When I was at Southern the textbook for the Systematic Theology class was "Introducing Christian Doctrine" by Millard Erickson. He's not Adventist. There I go defending Adventists again - Colleen, just smack me  But if you really want to have fun in the Adventists Believe book, read the chapter Christ's Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary and just start looking up references. Now...as for the ABC's. That's an education in culture. I also saw the racks of Amazing Facts' cartoon books (aka, Jehoviah Witness style tracks). ewww. | ||
| Mwh Registered user Username: Mwh Post Number: 389 Registered: 4-2006  |
Susan, I look forward to your findings. Jesus I love you! | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2404 Registered: 11-2002 |
I glanced through my new book last night until I just couldn't keep my eyes open anymore. then in my prayer I begged god to not let this book bring confusion into me. The texy of the book uses a lot of bible references, although many are snippits of texts and taken out of bibical context. The read SDA understanding comes at the back of each chaperr in the footnotes where footnote after footnote is from EGW or the SDA Bible Encycledpedia or other SDA sources. I think I am putting myself in a big project as my initial idea was to take this book with pad and pencil in hand, go through the book and make references of the errors. I am going to need a lot of help with this so I will be posting on here asking for help with certain things. For instance regarding EGW the book clearly states she was not ordained as a minister and her main purpose was to have visions to guide God's people as His messanger. However, there are several websites one can access from the linls on this site that clearly show that she was an ordained SDA minister. I looked and looked for a chapter on grace and there is none. The book has numerous diagrams and charts illistrating 1844 and how that date fits into the universal plan set down by God. The chapter on the state of the dead is really was off and again only select verses are quoted and then oftentimes only parts of the verses. The longest chapter (or at least it seems like the longest) is the chapter about what we are to do and not do to have optium health. To my way of thinking that is just plain weird. In the chapter on Sabbath it says that Christians did not worship on Sundays until well into the second century AD but I know from my readings there are many references otherwise. From my quick look at my new book I feel confident to say very little of SDA doctrine comes from Paul. Please, when I need help with my project I want you all on here to help me out because this will be a bit much. I guess since having attend the Lutheran church now for so many years the chapter on Communion and Baptism just didn't make any sense at all to me. I guess really very little of the book adds up in my thinking anymore. | ||
| Susans Registered user Username: Susans Post Number: 246 Registered: 8-2006 |
Susan, Please feel free to post. I'll have to dig out my 27 Fundamentals book since it's been packed away for many years. I'm sure many people on this site will be happy to help you with your research. I pray for you as well that your study will not only fail to bring confusion to your mind and spirit, but will ground you deeper in your relationship with Jesus Christ. Susan | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 2405 Registered: 11-2002 |
I've been reading my book. My first problem with it is that for their authorities they refer to EGW or the SDA enclcypedia or authors that publish for Pacific Press or the Review and Harold Publishing Company. I really think most SDA's would see how off center this is if they wanted to know how come a Catholic believed as he did and the Catholic only referred to documents approved by the Vatican or with a Mormon is the person just referred to the Book or Mormon, you get my drift, I think. Also, the first part of the book is about how much the SDA's don't approve of creeds. I'd always wondered how come they don't recite the Apostles Creed or some of the other creeds. In the chapter about Jesus it really super emphasis the humanity of Jesus. Way more so than His divinity. Also, it plainly says EGW was NOT an ordained SDA minister yet she had her ordination cirtificate hanging on her wall and you can go to various websites and see the picture of her ordination. What it seems to me from the tiny bit of the book I've thus far read it that the offness of the Adventist religion as presented in the book as written is just a bit off so that a not-so-astute reader would think it all adds up and makes sense. However, having said that, when it come to pure truth then even a teeny bit off is still 100% error and needs to be avoided. I'll give more updates as time permits. | ||
| Pheeki Registered user Username: Pheeki Post Number: 847 Registered: 1-2003 |
OK...I got the new Proclamation the other day and I am flipping through it and at the back I see Royce Earp. The last memory I have of Royce Earp was at the Keene SDA church (must have been like 1979 or 80???)...I was several years younger but I had a crush on him...as well as several other older boys...you know how that goes! We (grade school and academy kids) used to sit in the balcony and pass notes!!! What a small world SDAism is! I enjoyed Karen's story! | ||
| Stevendi Registered user Username: Stevendi Post Number: 19 Registered: 10-2006 |
Pheeki, My family and Royce's attended New Haven sda church in Overland Park, Kansas in the sixties and seventies. I am planning to contact him and Karen as I enjoyed their story too! Steve Norris |
