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| Bigal Registered user Username: Bigal Post Number: 55 Registered: 9-2006  |
I am not sure of the reasoning, but would guess that the SDA church wants to have their own songs for "Praise and Worship" music. Check out this link: Advent Praise What do you think? Alan | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3135 Registered: 3-2004  |
Why am I not surprised????? They have their own beliefs and they change words to Christian songs to suit their beliefs. I will continue to pray for them. Diana | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 207 Registered: 9-2006  |
I noticed that rock would be accepted also, now that is going to go over with one of my friends like a lead balloon, he's already got his back up into the air about the stuff they do now. Heh. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 208 Registered: 9-2006 |
As far as that goes, some of the stuff they do in our churches gets to me, its not the words or the music its that they stand and sing the same two lines of a song for 30 minutes straight and after about the sixth time over the same line, I get bored with it, if the Ads get something good going I might just slip down there for song service and rush back up to mine for the rest!! Now that airing out felt good!!! I mean for crying out loud why don't they just have yoga Aaaauuuuummmmmmmm. | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 660 Registered: 7-2004  |
River, I can't tell you how many times I have stopped singing after the 4th or 5th time of singing the same couple of lines. One church that I liked otherwise was eliminated from consideration because nearly every song was that way. Sometimes to occupy myself I would count how many times we sang the same line over and over and over again in a row. One song I think I get to 24 times. I can understand another reason why SDAs would need their own praise music. Too many songs would have lyrics that wouldn't fit their theology. They might actually convey some true meanings of grace. Much like the hymnals, some songs would need to be changed. Although there are still plenty of contemporary praise songs that are too focused on us and our works, so every song might not need to be changed! | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 215 Registered: 9-2006 |
Well now ya see there Ric_b, if we complained openly to them they would say "you just don't like to worship Jesus!!. The last church I went to I made the mistake of scorching them with a 45 page sermon, unbeknownst to me that they practiced all the things I preached against, I made the mistake of e-mailing it to the Pastor before I understood this and needless to say my work was done there before it even got started. They didn't kick me out or anything though, I just finally had to look for greener pastures. Ha. Thank God though I found a church more suitable and the song service and all the rest is great. I am thankful for that. I sent a letter to the church Pastors of that church informing them that I would no longer be attending there for a while but no answer, not even a phone call. River | ||
| Stevendi Registered user Username: Stevendi Post Number: 17 Registered: 10-2006 |
Ok, I could'nt let this one go. I have fought battles and pushed the envelope for years in church (sda). Here's my theory about praise music: "NOTES IS NOTES, IT'S THE WORDS, STUPID!" Personally, I prefer jazz, and that's what I usually perform (piano). I recently had a Pentacostal friend tell me that my praise music was a form of praying in tongues, even though no words were sung. I liked that, because it let me out of the "gibberish" discussion! I would love to introduce the blues to worship service. I once wrote a blues piece about Peter's experience of walking on water. We all need to broaden our concept of our great holy God and let His Spirit speak to us in any way that becomes open. To put it another way, there is no such thing as secular music - it's the intent and the message that connect or disconnect us with our Creator. Yeah, I know the arguments about music, I'm just sayin'..... | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3141 Registered: 3-2004 |
Ric_b, My son is like you in that he does not like to sing the same words, to the same tune for 30+ times. For me, it is the words and how they praise God. It it is 30+ times, it is okay with me. Diana | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 218 Registered: 9-2006 |
Stevendi, Let me clue you in, there is no argument. we're just lettin a little air out of our tires. Come on in and set a spell, how about a little Blue Grass, maybe some country style pickin? | ||
| Loneviking Registered user Username: Loneviking Post Number: 529 Registered: 7-2000 |
My brother calls those repititious songs '7/11's'. Seven words, repeated 11 times. I've got a better idea---lets instead sing a couple of more songs instead of going around the block one more time! Blues, bluegrass/flatpickin, jazz whatever...., just make it interestin' and 11 times through ain't interesting! | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1641 Registered: 10-2004  |
How can they accept music styles which they condemn as sinful in their official belief book and church manual??? The AdventPraise project is an official part of the North American Division. And on the front page, they say: "All genres will be accepted including Folk, Gospel, Rock and Christian Contemporary - we want your music to be heard!" And on the criteria page, they say:
Compare that to what it says in the official SDA belief book:
And in the current church manual:
Also on that criteria page for the "praise songs," is the following:
Jeremy | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 661 Registered: 7-2004 |
Diana, I'm glad to know that some people are blessed by those songs, because I would be really disappointed to hear that so many churches did them and no one was blessed! There are times that I really miss the lyrical depth of hymns when I am in contemporary worship services. Don't misunderstand me, there are praise songs that I dearly love, that can move me to tears each time that I sing them. But I also recognize the great messages contained in classic hymns that are sometimes lost in praise songs. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3145 Registered: 3-2004 |
Ric, I miss the traditional hymns also. I like the harmony and melody with which they are sung. But I also like some of the contemporary songs, especislly when they praise God. Diana | ||
| 91steps Registered user Username: 91steps Post Number: 134 Registered: 8-2005  |
Bottom line is numbers folks!! The North American Div, located at the GC, is more concerned with increasing the number of new baptisms then ANYTHING else!!! It is over a year since I stopped working at the GC, but I know when I left there was a push to increase membership in the NAD that they were starting to relax the music "standards". I kept telling my boss the biggest issue I have against SDA's is they won't take a stand for ANYTHING!!. If you don't stand for something you will fall for ANYTHING. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 219 Registered: 9-2006 |
Fortunately we are all not alike, now that would be really boring, we all sing in a slightly different pitch, and that makes for beautiful music, what I said in my previous post I was not all that serious about, there are us one time over-ers and there are the 30 plus-ers among us. Although I have to say that the repetition does grate at my temperament. I suspect that this repetition thing worked its way into the churches because the church selected a one worship leader whose job it was to bring the congregation into an atmosphere of worship and once he gets them there I suppose he tries to hold them there, at least I suppose this is the case, again I am not too sure. The Bible says where two or three are gathered in his name he will be there. I myself think it is a mistake to do away with the old hymns altogether as some have done, some of these old hymns were written by saints who had come through great trial and the hymns were a result of their walk with the Lord and there are in the congregations folk who have also come through great trail. However that said, if my church gets to wanting to lean to the 30+ side it wonít kill me, I finally prayed about this thing and talked to the Lord about it, I said ìLord, I cannot be other than what you made meî ìso if it helps these folk to do that then so be itî I personally want to offer my worship in song freely and not stand there and offer forced worship so I must remain at peace within myself and with God. So I made up my mind that when I get to the point where it is no longer heart felt worship I will just sit down, read a scripture or two until they finish or something and worship in a relaxed atmosphere and be at peace. I would think a good worship leader would offer variety of worship in song and have wisdom; however that is just my own opinion. I did wonder if there were other people who felt like I did about the 30+ thing and to my relief there are, I had begun to feel like the lone ranger. So now I have been serious a little in the hope that what I have said helps folk who deal with this. It is interesting to find that the repetition has invaded other denominations and who am I to say that itís not the Lords work? So to the 30+ side, God bless you and too the one timer side, may we find it within ourselves to remain at peace at all times and in all situations. His promises are yea and amen. River | ||
| Mwh Registered user Username: Mwh Post Number: 400 Registered: 4-2006  |
91steps, really interesting. BTW, I look forward to your book. In Christ | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 220 Registered: 9-2006 |
91steps, I suppose you are right about the numbers thing, just from reading on the forum the NAD is losing much more membership than it is gaining. As an outsider I am weak on knowledge of the 27 steps/baptism thing and have never read it. if someone could point me too where I can read it it would be appreciated. River | ||
| Bigal Registered user Username: Bigal Post Number: 56 Registered: 9-2006 |
River, Check out this site: 27 Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists. It is missing the 28th belief, which is the newest version of this book. Alan | ||
| Bigal Registered user Username: Bigal Post Number: 57 Registered: 9-2006 |
Oops, just found this at the same site: 28 Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists. Alan | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 222 Registered: 9-2006 |
Alan, thanks I read it now I have a question. An Adventist I know goes to Cuba and South America on mission trips. He keeps me up on those trips. Now he will report that they had 5 people baptized and 15 studying for baptism. Are the people studying these 28 fundamentals before baptism and are they required to give some indication to confessing to these fundamentals openly? How does it work? Can anybody answer that? River |
