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Rejoyce719
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Username: Rejoyce719
Post Number: 4
Registered: 1-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 2:24 pm: |     |
I hope someone will help me with the text. The text that began my awakening was concerning Jesus entering the Most Holy Place when He returned to Heaven, not in 1844. I found a book on another Adventist friend's bookshelf by Dale Ratlaff about the Investigative Judgment Doctrine. I asked my friend where it had come from. He was not aware that it was there. I wonder if someone put it there to be found. Thankfully by me. I realized just how absurd this doctrine is based on someone's so-called vision and William Miller's very erroneous date-setting. |
Susans
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Username: Susans
Post Number: 356
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 5:34 pm: | |
Rejoyce, the text is Hebrews 9:12
He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption. (NASB)
Susan |
Susans
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Username: Susans
Post Number: 357
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 5:35 pm: | |
Sorry, that should be the NIV
Susan |
Belvalew
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Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 1069
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 6:09 pm: | |
The first moments of a-hah came from Galatians. I'm sorry, but I must confess that it still took another dozen years to take it seriously. I was heavily brain-washed. I read Galatians and wanted to jump up and celebrate when I read it, the news was too good to believe, but then I looked up the text and what dear Ellen had to say about it and I went back to sleep (for 12 years--I'm ashamed now!).
It took reading Dale Ratzlaff's books, and hearing Gene Scott conducting a study of Galatians for me to get clarity. |
Susans
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Username: Susans
Post Number: 363
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 6:16 pm: | |
No need to be ashamed, Belva. In my deepest pit of legalism, at campmeeting I heard a sermon on Galatians and the speaker mentioned "Christ is the end of the law to all who believe." A more moderate member of my church said that verse was incredible, but I didn't see it then, either. It would be many more years before the Lord's timing to take me out of Adventism.
God's timing is perfect.
Susan |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 5232
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 7:13 pm: | |
I've had to rest in that same conclusion, SusanóGod's timing is perfect. Exactly why it took so long for me to "see" is a mystery, but God knows...and I'm thankful He awoke me!
Colleen |
Javagirl
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Username: Javagirl
Post Number: 346
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 7:30 pm: | |
Good to see you again Belva! Ive been missing you, you have been in my prayers recently.
I did the going back to sleep bit myself, for six years. God clearly gave me assurance of salvation seven years ago (that's another story) but I buried my head re the implications to my adventist heritage for six more LONG years.
Lori |
U2bsda
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Username: U2bsda
Post Number: 421
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 2:45 pm: | |
1 John 3 was also an eye-opener for me
"19 And by this we know[d] that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him. 20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God. 22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us[e] commandment.
24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us."
I had grown up reading the words "commandments" to mean the 10 commandments, but that is not what is referred to here. I was so shocked when I read these verses on my journey out and discovered that the commandments that were being referred to were believing on Jesus and loving one another.
Also, these texts made me absolutely sure that the Sabbath did not equal the seal:
1 Cornithians 1 "20 For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us. 21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, 22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee."
and Ephesians 1 "13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[a] is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory."
and Ephesians 4 "30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."
The Bible is very straightforward that the Holy Spirit is the seal. I remember reading those texts and wondering why I had never "seen" those texts before.
What I learned about the covenants, the seal, and the commandment texts in 1 John was enough for me to question every thing I ever learned. It was so refreshing to read the New Testament with a clean slate and my preconceived interpretations gone. |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 5243
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 5:50 pm: | |
U2, those texts astonished me, too. The Bible is so clear that the Holy Spirit is God's seal. It's almost like we have a whole new Bible!
Colleen
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Rejoyce719
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Username: Rejoyce719
Post Number: 5
Registered: 1-2007
| | Posted on Friday, January 12, 2007 - 2:18 pm: | |
Thank you Susans for the text. Like many of you I stayed in the SDA church for many years before I could break the mind set that it is the one true church. Even though I saw texts that disproved this, I still did not leave for many years. It is so wonderful to see real truth now. |
