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| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 955 Registered: 4-2000  |
Why did we stay so long in the Seventh-day Adventist Church? Apparently, my wife and I were slow learners by the fact we stayed for more than forty years. Actually, we were scared to leave. We were taught that by leaving we would lose our salvation. After all, Ellen White sternly declared, "I saw that the holy Sabbath is, and will be, the separating wall between the true Israel of God and unbelievers...And if one believed, and kept the Sabbath,...and then gave it up...they would shut the gates of the Holy City against themselves, as sure as a God that rules in heaven above" (A Word to the Little Flock, page 18). Gratefully, under the New Covenant, there is no "dividing wall" (Eph. 2:14,15). This is a primary characteristic of the New Covenant. The first crack in my armor was in 1976 when I read Dr. Ronald Numbers book entitled, "Prophetess of Health." However, it took until the year 2000 for us to officially leave Adventism. In our case, information technology was a major factor in our finally seeing the light. After reading only a few lines of Dr. Richard Frederick's sermon outline titled, "Sabbath in Christ," we were both finally ready to leave Adventism. I would like to know why you stayed so long. What were the sticking points? Dennis Fischer | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3337 Registered: 3-2004  |
In 1993 my son shared with me the truth he learned from a minister before the minister left the SDA church. I met the man and heard his sermons. My problem was I was in the middle of chronic fatigue syndrome and was not thinking clearly. I told my son to pray about what he had learned. Sometime in the late 1990s I found the D. Anderson web site and book marked it on my computer. I was not a practicing SDA, but could not go to a Sunday church because of my SDA back ground. I told the SDA pastor , where I attended church, I was happier than I had ever been with the philosophy I had learned in my 12 step program, then I had been as a practicing SDA. I was not thinking about leaving the SDA church, even though my name had been taken off the church books a couple years after my divorce. But God had not given up on me. In 2002 I moved from VA to NV and started attending the SDA church in Las Vegas. I was thinking about being rebaptized and had even arranged to talk to one of the ministers. He never came by my house-God's working. That was around Christmas 2003. At Christmas that year the SDA minister challenged our SS class to read only the NT with nothing else. So I started reading the NT. During that time period I discovered the D. Anderson web site on my computer and went to it. I read everything with new eyes. WOW. Did I get an eye/brain full about EGW, her plagiarism and having others write things for her. After reading that web site I decided that I would give up adventism because EGW had such a profound effect on adventism's beliefs. When I decided to give up adventism a burden I did not know I had was lifted from my shoulders. That is when I really paid attention to what I read. I wrote to my son and told him what I was learning. His reply was, I told you all that in 1993, KIDS!!!! That is when I finally gave up adventism and decided to follow Jesus Christ. I bought a Strong's Concordance and studied SDA doctrine and found out what the Bible really taught. I left adventism for good at that time. God is awesome in leading us out of error. Diana | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 5278 Registered: 12-2003  |
Great question, Dennis. H-m-m-móI've actually wondered that very thing about myself many times. In some ways, I feel as if God removed my blinders "in the fullness of time". On a practical level, though, the two major points were the Sabbath and the "fact" of Ellen White. I was convinced Sabbath was significant, even though for years I struggled to understand how it was part of the moral law of God written on the heart. I always "defaulted" to thinking about creation week and the fact that Ellen White said it was THE mark. Which leads to the second point. I thought for years that Ellen wasn't "all that" the church had said she was but believed God had used her. Since I believed God had used her, I had to consider that what she said MIGHT be true. Besides, between her and the 4th commandment, I was certain I had to keep the day. When I finally saw and admitted that she was a false prophet, everything looked different. Suddenly I could see that the Bible taught that the Sabbath was fulfilled in Jesus. For me, those two things were intertwinedóalthough not at a conscious level. The short answeróthe Sabbath and Ellen White were what kept me bound to Adventism. Colleen | ||
| Benevento Registered user Username: Benevento Post Number: 135 Registered: 4-2005 |
I am from the Northwest where the Davenport Affair was very active and lots of people lost their life savings under his guidance with help from the Conferences--we moved and lived near Sacramento, heard Des Ford discuss the IJ doctrine and thought he made sense, read Walter Rea's book on EGW, and didn't attend church but didn't know where to go so stayed home. Back to the Nortwest and I was invited to attend Sabbath School by a nice lady. I told her I didn't like the SS lessons she said these were different, they only used the Bible and studied books of the Bible--We studied Galations and the veil was lifted! I still needed to find another church home but finally found one and I am so happy to hear the gospel each week. I found it ironic that I really saw how wrong the SDA church was when I attended it again!!But am so thankful I did.In between all this I found FAF, read Dale's books and other studies on the new Covenant. It was a very slow process for me, partly because I didn't trust myself to read the Bible, indoctrinated as I was in the SDA version. So I feel God led me as fast as I could go and I am so thankful!! Just look at a the different inflluences I was exposed to for good! Another slow learner. Peggy | ||
| Freeatlast Registered user Username: Freeatlast Post Number: 501 Registered: 5-2002 |
Something I learned in a Domestic Violence Prevention class Humanity has a very strong tendency to maintain what is familiar, even though what is familiar is abusive and destructive to one's own physical, emotional, or spiritual well-being. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 392 Registered: 9-2006  |
Dennis, I donít believe slow learning or human ability has anything to do with why a person stays. A person caught up in Adventism is under the control of deceiving spirits, even though one may be born into a family that is already caught up in it. You can look at Waco and Jonestown to see the extremes of the thing. Were these people just slow in the head? I donít think so, they were just normal people and yet were deceived by the enemy of our souls and it took them to their death and what about the children? I think aberrant beliefs are dangerous because, once deceived it is just so difficult to unhook from it, if it involved human learning, logic and reason, it wouldnít take long for one to figure out that something is wrong. Once deceived by spirits human logic fails and sometime even leading to a situation like Waco and Jonestown, now one may say ìWell, they were deceived by their leader, but who was controlling the leader and I find it hard indeed to believe that a human can have such a choke hold without the power behind the leader. The same power that controlled the leader controlled them. I know Doctors, Rocket scientist, teachers, who are smart people and yet cannot see the faulty logic of the IG or for that matter EGW never mind the Sabbath thing. Take the Rocket scientist for instance, worked at JPL on the space program, is his human logic faulty? I would think that we could agree that it takes something far more powerful than folks around him too fool this man and yet he is still deceived. Even if he was born and raised into it he has great mental ability of his own, looks at everything to the finest detail. I really donít think the powers of these spirits should be under estimated and yet thatís about all I do hear. Should we live in fear? No. I am not saying that but what I am saying is what power caused the Jonestown massacre, over 900 men women and children dead and 300 of those being their own children? Waco, around 87 men women and children dead. Was it the leader or the power behind the leader? I personally believe that but for the grace of God, there go I and I mean that. After four years of looking at this thing I just cannot come to any other conclusions that what I have come too. I wish it was human logic I was encountering here, it would make the whole thing much, much easier. Now the Bible clearly warns us these things (1 Pet 5:8 KJV) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: (1 Pet 5:9 KJV) Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. The Devil doesnít care if you are an 6 year old kid, Rocket scientist, or a 96 year old feeble man that can no longer help himself, he is out to destroy man period. I honestly believe until you folks recognize the diabolical spiritual powers behind this thing you will never figure out some of the answers you need to know. Maybe Iím just all wet but I am beginning to see the real danger of fooling around with the word of God, that plumb line, I am just beginning to think from what I see, he meant it when he ask Hosea what he saw. I still donít yet see what all I need to see, I know I get in my own way or I would see it quicker. If you folks think Iím off into ufo land, thatís o.k. I have to think Dennis that the reason you were 40 years was because of powerful spiritual deception, I have read enough of your post to know you didnít just fall off a turnip truck but you know I am coming at this from the outside. Iím a ìnever has beenî but I have felt the powerful pull of deceit from being around Adventist in an up close and personal way and I know it can get to sounding reasonable even too a never has been. I think the evil spirits (devil) is an opportunist; I have to conclude that from the verse I just gave up there. I believe Godís word by his spirit can lift the veil of deception. I really donít think human logic can. River | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1683 Registered: 10-2004  |
You are absolutely right on, River. And I can tell you from personal experience, that you can feel the demonic hold you were under when you reject Ellen G. White as the deceiving false prophet she was. It is absolutely spiritual deception and bondage--not just human. You can sense in your spirit the spiritual struggle when facing the issues of Adventism--as you yourself have witnessed. The following passage in God's Word definitely applies to EGW and Adventism:
Jeremy | ||
| U2bsda Registered user Username: U2bsda Post Number: 437 Registered: 11-2004 |
It took me 8 years from the time I first noticed something was wrong to actually leave the church. I stayed so long because I pretty much believed most of the things SDAs taught. I tossed out EGW early on because she had said that if she didn't agree with the Bible that we were to go with the Bible so I've actually read very little EGW in my life. I always found her to be quite boring. I just viewed her as an equal to other Christian writers when I was an SDA. I was saved and did have assurance of my salvation and was surprised after I left the SDA church that SDA's weren't supposed to have assurance of salvation and that many didn't. I guess not reading EGW helped me  Looking back, I often wonder if I ever was a true SDA. I never understood the investigative judgement and just thought that it was an event that happened in 1844. I had no idea that SDAs believed that their sins were not forgiven on the cross. I am still finding out so many things that SDAs believe that I had no idea of. I think I must have had blinders on because I can't count the number of Revelation/Prophecy Seminars that I have gone to or been involved in. Although I didn't agree with everything the SDA church taught I was comfortable there because it was all I had ever known and it was fully ingrained as my culture. I had just attended a Revelation seminar to try and get reconvinced of many things. I thought I had things settled and I could go on as an Adventist and be content. Shortly after the seminars ended a Christian shared with me about the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I heard what the person had to say and tried not to be offended and later that night in the privacy of my room I read the book of Acts and realized that I had been missing something. I remember sitting there on my bed with this new information. My pride was wounded cuz, you know, SDAs know it all. I had to make a decision to brush off what I heard as cuckoo or be open to what the Bible had to say. I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit that night and that set me on a course directly out of Adventism. It took a year from that point in time before I officially left the SDA church and the Sabbath behind, but I knew I had hit a turning point. During that year journeying out I looked at the anti-SDA websites very little. I held on the the Bible as the only thing I could trust at that time. It was a very difficult year and I was actually surprised at the strong negative reactions I experienced from family. I knew I was following God and I sure didn't expect to have my salvation questioned. How naive of me, right? In short, I stayed so long because I was comfortable and pretty much under the veil. I didn't see things clearly through that veil. I thought I was in the right church that just had some problems. The SDA church with problems was far superior (in my SDA mind) to Sunday churches. | ||
| Lrcrabtree Registered user Username: Lrcrabtree Post Number: 17 Registered: 1-2007  |
Why did I stay so long? Good question, however; for me it has a slightly different twist. I didn't really stay that long (18 years), but I avoided for almost 35 years. I was raised SDA until I graduated from Rio Lindo Academy - 18 years. On graduation and adulthood, I decided that I had enough of the church and just quit going to church altogether. I moved to a different location for a new job, new aquaintences, etc., so there was no real pressure to 'stay in the flock', except when I went home to visit my parents. But God had a plan for me - I'm still working that part out. Over the next (almost) 35 years, I had a variety of experiences, some very good, and many that I wished I could have avoided; but I have learned may lessons: I drank heavily for several years. I don't know how I avoided becoming an alcoholic, but I did, and now drink on the very rare occasion - without any guilt!! I was married and divorced, more than once or twice. Fortunately I did not have a lot of kids along that route. It's all I can do to take care of the two younger ones that I have now, I can hardly imagine if I had 4 or 5 !! When the time was right, God put my wife in my life - we met through an online dating service. Meeting her was the beginning of returning to Jesus and his love. I am still struggling with those 18 years of indoctrination. I know that the new covenant did away with the old covenant, but sometimes it's hard to really believe it. It's difficult to explain to my wife, because she doesn't come with all this SDA indoctrinational baggage that I do. As you can imagine, it makes for some very interesting discussions. Thank goodness that she is strong and knows the Bible even better than I do. So, my story is that I didn't really wait that long. I avoided for almost 35 years. I now know that EGW is a false prophet and that SDA is really a cult. But I think that I'm still on my journey out - even though I haven't attended an SDA church in decades. My journey out is more in my own mind and soul than it is physical. | ||
| Zjason Registered user Username: Zjason Post Number: 54 Registered: 11-2005 |
I am technically still part of the church but I keep my objections to myself. My wife doesn't like the church we go to, but we still go. I think I go more for the sake of avoiding a confrontation with her. I am not secure enough in my objections to present to her a strong case about my leaving the church. I have 4 children and am expecting a 5th one in a month.(I'm a couple notches short of insane some days with so many children). I appreciate all of your patience with me not making the "leap" just yet. Will I ever? I'm not certain at this point in time. The Lord will make that clear to me at some point. Of course, I haven't really had much interest in anything spiritual at all, my counselor thinks it may be due to my feelings of entrapment and despair...she'd like me to be honest with my wife about my feelings on this matter, but I fear the fallout...and then the question, "Daddy, why do we have to go to church and you don't have to?", and my wife having to manage all the children at church by herself if I didn't go. I think that would lead to a lot of resentment towards me... Sooo, that's why I'm still in. Jason | ||
| Lynne Registered user Username: Lynne Post Number: 484 Registered: 10-2005 |
My sticking points were: Fear (of Satan, of non-adventist Christians and sometimes pork). Mark of the Beast The Unique Health Message I knew the truth.. and then some... like most Adventists. Thought the church, but especially my works, would save me. ________________________________________________________________________________ Despite the fact that I thought my eternal life depended on the above as I was taught, something in Adventism didn't sit well inside me. I did not know what was wrong, but I always felt something wasn't spiritually right. Christ alone. Simple bible verses just did not mix with the above sticking points. But the sticking points above, I've learned is nothing more than a false gospel. Christ sits very well now inside me. And the true gospel has set me free. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 5282 Registered: 12-2003 |
River and Jeremy, I agree with you totally. There's no other way to explain the great struggle when one begins to leave. The pull and the deception are so powerful. Zjason, it's good to hear from you again. I've wondered how you're doing, and I continue to pray for you and your wife. I tend to agree (not that you asked!) with your counselor about being up front with your wife. Even though there would be fallout, at least it would probably help that internal "deadness" to lift. Suppressing the thing that needs to be dealt with yields a profound "shut-down-ness". One other thingó(I speak now as a woman!)óeven though your wife would likely be unspeakably angry and/or frightened or thrown off balance, she would, at some deep level, admire your commitment to truth. If you didn't treat her like the enemy but committed to love her as Christ loves the church (Ephesians 5), she would at least be puzzled and at best be convicted. it's not possible to really care for another fully when one is internally shut down and avoiding pain. But hey, I'm not lecturing you! I completely understand your reasoning. And you are always welcome here. Glad you checked in. Colleen | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 394 Registered: 9-2006 |
Zjason, I, for one am going to be praying for you today, I am not going to have the Audacity to sit here in the place of adviser, I do plead with you to try to pray and read the word, especially Galatians, and read the stories on this forum of the ones that have gone before. I do realize the strong responsibility and ability of the male leader in the home, my own wife is ah, shall we say, strongly opinionated, and doesnÔø‡t lead easily at times and sometimes I have to give her space to come around to her own understanding so I Ôø‡let the line go slackÔø‡ and just let her think on her own even when I can see she is making a mistake, even in financial things as long as it isnÔø‡t too serious. I have been married to her 45 years, raised 5 kids. Believe you me I have learned to keep the peace, when to be insistent and when not too but I find that the harder I follow after the Lord the harder she follows after me and thatÔø‡s the truth. Mistakes? Dear God in heaven have I made them!! I encourage you as a brother, be strong, be of good courage in the Lord and in his strength. Lead for your familyÔø‡s sake, not overbearing but gentle at all times if possible. Wives have a sense of intuition we men donÔø‡t, they are going to pick up on fear or uncertainty before we even know we are afraid or uncertain. The Lord bless you in his wisdom and knowledge. River | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 796 Registered: 8-2004  |
ZJason, good to see you posting again. I've wondered how you and your family are doing. Here are a few thoughts that came to me as I read your post. If you find anything in them helpful thank God, if there are any unhelpful feel free to disregard! Here goes: As a mother of three children I can thoroughly appreciate you going to church with your wife to help with the children. When I resigned from the SDA Reform Movement I continued to attend church with my husband and children for somewhat similar reasons - even though I disagreed with what was taught at that church it was good to have the family together for as long as it could be together. Due to various circumstances and God's leading our family is no longer together. My children and I now live nearly clear across the country from their father. But I'm thankful that I did seek to be peaceable while also being clear with my then-husband about my change in faith. There are things I wish had happened differently. There are thing I wish I had done differently. But I can testify that in the middle of it all GOD is faithful: God kept my heart - when life seemed to be unending heartbreak - and still keeps it! God kept my soul - from even before I believed I had one - and still keeps it! God kept my mind - when the bombardment of conflict seemed overwhelming - and still keeps it! God kept my strength - when even in the lowest times when I felt I had no more strength left - and still keeps it! Life does not look anything like I planned it once upon a time, but no matter. God's plans are better. Not necessarily easier (in the short term at least) but better. God may lead us into a desert when we planned to travel to an oasis - but He will not leave us there. He promises to finish the work He's begun in us. Not, perhaps, on our schedule, but He WILL do it on His. Recently in my own private study I've had reason to ponder the Servant/Master relationship that we are giving as an analogy of our relationship with God. The word in the New Testament translated as 'servants' actually means 'slaves' (and that has made me recoil quite often). However, if we are His slaves 'our part' is actually rather simple: TRUST that He knows what he's doing and what he wants us to do and then DO what He asks us to do,. But what about Him as Master? As our master it is his business to clothe us, shelter us, feed us, take care of our medical, spiritual, mental, and social needs, and basically be responsible for us from cradle to grave! In addition to the slave analogy we are also called His children. This helps me to know that He doesn't just take responsibility for us. He also delights in us! He treasures us. He loves us so much that He has promised to finish what He's started in us. This includes not letting us "get by" with slipshod faith forever. This includes bringing us face to face with all sorts of ugly things, but also includes Him walking us through them. This seems to be getting longer and longer. I'd better wrap it up for now. Hang in there though! You are one of God's servants AND one of God's treasured Children. No matter how many people let you down God won't! He will guide you as to time and place and words and actions. And He loves your wife and children even more than you do! Blessings, Mary | ||
| Godssonjp Registered user Username: Godssonjp Post Number: 15 Registered: 1-2007 |
ZJason, I was (still am) in almost the same situation you're in. I, and my family, are "technicaly" still members of the SDA church. I haven't had the chance (or nerve) to request our names be removed yet. I kept most of my objections to myself as well. Only spoke with close friends who I knew wouldn't chastise me. My wife, over time, stopped liking the church we attended. She didn't like how people seemed so "fake". "Everyone acts so perfect like they never done anything wrong" is what she says. During the time I was studying about the church, my wife became more annoyed with the people in the church. My kids (six altogether)didn't seem to want to go to church any more. For me, this was more confirmation that something was wrong as we have always attended every Sabbath. One difference with me and you, ZJason, is that I belive my wife was avoiding confrontation with ME about going to church. I was the one making sure we went to church every week. Trying to keep us grounded. For me, I stayed as long as I did, even after other family members left, because I needed a "reason". Something's not right wasn't enough. And because I only read little of EGW I didn't have a clear understanding of what I was "supposed" to believe. As an SDA, I didn't really know what the church beleived. I suspect many don't REALLY know. But, once I found out, I felt uncomfortable sendig my kids to SS and having their minds wrapped up in SDA teachings that I know wasn't right. I, not being born into the SDA church, didn't accept everything the church taught. However, some beliefs still crept in and I'm still shaking them loose even now. I did not want my kids to go through the same thing and ask the question I asked my mother just a few months ago. "What did you get us into?" One other question was, "What do I do when/if I do leave?" "Where will I go to church?" But, I had to let go and let God. And that's where I'm at now. Pray that God will lead us to where He want's us to be. Anyway, God knows when it'll be the time. He will work it out for you. Trust that He will make a way. Be blessed. | ||
| Tkmommy Registered user Username: Tkmommy Post Number: 15 Registered: 1-2007 |
Jason, it is good to see someone here in a similar position to mine. I have been visiting this forum for a few months and have only posted for a few weeks. Everyone here has been so warm and gracious and knowledgeable, but most are a Been-There-Done-That, so while they can relate to where I am now, they are not in my situation currently. It is good to know I am not alone. I am like you, still technically an sda...I attend regularly. My husband and I just switched to a new sda church at the beginning of the year, we felt despite all our friends, our old church was just "dead". This new one is very uplifting, the pastor is great and so far has just preached about Jesus. You can tell by the sermons he has a great walk with Christ. While this is satisfying me NOW, I have a feeling or intuition that it won't last. We have 2 children, 3 and 6, who I definitely don't want indoctrinated into EGW, beit ss or sda schools (a tough one as my husband went thru sda school and thinks they're great) I have managed to avoid this problem of late by deciding to homeschool my kids for their early years, getting my husband to agree was as easy as "we will be saving $3000 a year per kid" LOL Anyway, I am so in your boat when it comes to not wanting to rock the boat and avoid confrontation, especially considering the kids. I, too, feel the need to study,study,study, so I can finally present my issues. I have been reading the bible, praying, and specifically praying that God will open a "speaking door" for me in conversation, and give me the right words to say. My husband has studied diligently in the past, and while he doesn't agree with some of EGW statements, he feels alot of sda endtime theology is right on. He attends a religious liberty ss now, and that class would drive me nuts! Anyway, I pray for you, and I TOTALLY understand your situation. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3339 Registered: 3-2004 |
When I wrote above, I really did not say why I stayed in the SDA church as long as I did. As I read everyone's post, I thought to myself, Diana, Why did you stay so long? As I thought about it going to work this morning, I realized it was something I knew. I felt comfortable with it and I DO NOT LIKE CHANGE. Now, is this last a good reason to stay?? NO, I think not. God worked very slowly with me, because He knows I do not like change. He showed me change is not bad and can be fun and interesting. Then when I found out about EGW, whom I have not liked to hear quoted for many, many years, it was very easy to leave the SDA church behind and follow Jesus. So, that is why I stayed as long as I did. It was comfortable and something I knew, and I did not like change. God is always awesome in how He leads any one. Diana | ||
| Susans Registered user Username: Susans Post Number: 374 Registered: 8-2006 |
River, Jeremy, and Colleen, I absolutely agree with you that the issue is spiritual deception and a spiritual stronghold in belief in both EGW and the Sabbath as SDA's define and keep it. Why did I stay for so long, leaving once but only because I felt I couldn't live up to the "truth"? Fear of what EGW wrote was really correct. Fear of breaking the Old Covenant Sabbath defined as salvational by SDA's. Dennis' quote in the post "I saw that the holy Sabbath is, and will be, the separating wall between the true Israel of God and unbelievers...And if one believed, and kept the Sabbath,...and then gave it up...they would shut the gates of the Holy City against themselves, as sure as a God that rules in heaven above" (A Word to the Little Flock, page 18). is a HUGE reason why I stayed. Bottom line - FEAR. I have since understood more completely the truth that God's love CASTS OUT FEAR. Then I REALLY left for the truth of the gospel of Jesus and I've never looked back. My casting off of the spiritual stronghold and deception was accomplished by the miracle of God in removing my veil, and it was complete and irreversible. River, I have to comment as a woman, wife of a "never has been SDA" and a former SDA - "I find that the harder I follow after the Lord the harder she follows after me and that's the truth" that I ABSOLUTELY agree with your statement! Jason, I pray for you, my brother. God will show you the way, the time, and you are safe to follow HIM alone. I also agree that while your wife might be angry, she will be impressed by your devotion to the truth, and of your love for her as Christ loves His church. I know that is one of the things I treasure most about my husband - he has loved me as unconditionally as anyone could. I thank God for providing him. (BTW, Larry, I met my husband on eHarmony ) Tkmommy, I pray for you and your family as well as you study! Susan | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 402 Registered: 9-2006 |
Dennis and all: I found this interesting statement made by D.M. Canright. I am amazed at myself that I was held there so long, after my better judgment was convinced that it was an error. River | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 957 Registered: 4-2000 |
Susan, I am delighted with your firsthand report that eHarmony really makes wonderful matches. River, Thanks for sharing that interesting quote from Dudley Canright, Adventism's most notable heretic. Amazingly, Canright deciphered all this without any former Adventist support system. I now confess that I once actually turned the title of one of Canright's books around on the Christian Bookstore shelf many years ago so that people wouldn't notice it. I was a hard nut to crack (smile). Dennis Fischer |
