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| Jackob Registered user Username: Jackob Post Number: 425 Registered: 7-2005 |
Walter Martin was big lied by the SDA chruch, and also Martin Luther was big lied by the RCC, both churches modifying their religious terminology in such a way as to deceive true believers in the gospel that they are preaching the true gospel. The RCC in 1541 at Ratisbon was willing to adopt the protestant slogan of justification by faith, but the change was not in substance, but only in form, another similarity to the SDA attempt to appear evangelicals. Unfortunately, Walter Martin was not Martin Luther. It's my pleasure to commend Luther as a great man of God who was really interested in maintaining the truth about the gospel, also the truth about the enemies of the gospel. I discovered an article from which I will quote
They first concocted an article which was satisfactory to neither party,
What's interesting is Marin Luther's reaction
This is exactly how the SDA church acted: 1. SDA condemned the rest of the evangelical churches as being Babylon, aspostate, teachign a false gospel of "cheap grace" 2. Questioned by Walter Martin, they answered" We alwasys preached the gospel of justification by faith alone" Amazing, huh? Big lie, historical lie, no one can miss it, the reaction of Martin Luther was
That's the difference between Martin Luther and Walter Martin: Martin Luther had opened his eyes, Walter Martin closed his eyes. Even after Des Ford and a lot of adventists pastors and members suffered persecution at the hands of the SDA organization, he kept his eyes closed to the fact that nothing changed regarding the gospel in the SDA church. (Message edited by Jackob on February 03, 2007) | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 483 Registered: 9-2006  |
Jacob, I enjoyed that, your post and Ramoneís post got me to thinking about parallels. Another parallel I see is in your letters like MartinCís letter to the Adventist church put me in the mind of Martin Lutherís own 95 theses that he nailed to the door of the church. Now me being of sort of a comical mind I can envision some former such as Martinc going up to the church door carrying his framing hammer and a large rusty nail spike and hammering it through his letter right straight through a nicely finished front door late Friday night. Whap, whap, whap, wham!! And then walking a way to get in his car carefully adjusting his seat belt and calmly driving off. I found the thought rather amusing, must be getting tired.  River | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 5370 Registered: 12-2003  |
What an interesting article, Jackob. I'm so thankful Martin Luther was clear about the Catholics' playing with words and was not deceived. To his credit, Walter Martin began to realize he'd been deceived before he died. He was not fully convinced, but he was beginning to see, and he reopened his investigation about the church. He died, though, before he could complete his new research. But your point is right: Walter Martin was deceived while Martin Luther was not. I believe one of the biggest differences is that Martin Luther had actually been a Catholic priest, and he KNEW what Catholics had always taught and believed. Walter Martin had never been Adventist, and he learned about Adventism by talking to a select group of more evangelical-sounding Adventists who explained what they wanted him to believe: the church did not use Ellen White as their basis for Scriptural understanding. Martin, from the outside, did not preceive the decetpion. It's true that even many who have been Adventist have trouble admitting the depth of the spiritual deception of Adventismóbut praise God that He is faithful; He does reveal truthóbut we also must be willing to see and know that truth. Thank you for sharing these quotes, Jackob. Colleen | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 976 Registered: 4-2000  |
Excellent thoughts, Colleen and Gabriel. Yes, Luther had the advantage of being a former insider while Martin was deceived big time. Dennis Fischer |
