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Cortney
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Username: Cortney
Post Number: 1
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Friday, March 02, 2007 - 11:51 pm: |     |
SDA's believe we the christian church are persecuting them now, because they are vegetarians,keep the sabbath, and live a [controlled] religious lifestyle. In the end time we will persecute and even murder them just for keeping the sabbath.SDAs like to play the perpetual victums , it empowers them to be the victums, it gives them a false sense of security, in the fact that they believe they must be persecuted to be the true remnant. In a way, their paranoid thinking convinces them ,that they truly are the rightious remnant. My problem with this as an Evangelical Christian[now] is that most chuches today could'nt care less what SDAs do, most churches aren't even familiar with SDAs. I'm curios to know which christian churches are persecuting them right now! SDAs don't realize that their the ones persecuting the christian body, protestantism,.EGW made it perfectly clear in her writings where non-adventists stood with God's judgement, cast the first stone Ellen? SDAs always belive what EGW said and wrote. In all EGW books the focal point and message were the same-non-adventists are not in the truth, they are babylon, they wear the mark of the beast.Yet SDAs still hand out and sell this type of material to potential converts everyday. SDAs think I'm persacuting them because I choose to live a different lifestyle, yet,they can write and publish and sell books and tracts ,which call my church liars,Babylon, we wear mark of beast, my religios belief is an abomination to God? What up? I think SDAs are the ones judging and persacuting the true body of Christ. SDA need to realize it's not about being victimized or persecuted, it about a Loving God whose Grace and Rightessness is sufficient for all. It's not about the day you keep,or what you eat, or what you wear -thats not what God desires of us. It's about Faith, Christ's atonement was final and sufficient! His love, grace, and rightousness sustain us! Not man made laws, or people who claim to be a lesser light-Put your Faith in God.
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Cortney
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Username: Cortney
Post Number: 2
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 12:02 am: | |
SDA's believe we the christian church are persecuting them now, because they are vegetarians,keep the sabbath, and live a [controlled] religious lifestyle. In the end time we will persecute and even murder them just for keeping the sabbath.SDAs like to play the perpetual victums , it empowers them to be the victums, it gives them a false sense of security, in the fact that they believe they must be persecuted to be the true remnant. In a way, their paranoid thinking convinces them ,that they truly are the rightious remnant. My problem with this as an Evangelical Christian[now] is that most chuches today could'nt care less what SDAs do, most churches aren't even familiar with SDAs. I'm curios to know which christian churches are persecuting them right now! SDAs don't realize that their the ones persecuting the christian body, protestantism,.EGW made it perfectly clear in her writings where non-adventists stood with God's judgement, cast the first stone Ellen? SDAs always belive what EGW said and wrote. In all EGW books the focal point and message were the same-non-adventists are not in the truth, they are babylon, they wear the mark of the beast.Yet SDAs still hand out and sell this type of material to potential converts everyday. SDAs think I'm persacuting them because I choose to live a different lifestyle, yet,they can write and publish and sell books and tracts ,which call my church liars,Babylon, we wear mark of beast, my religios belief is an abomination to God? What up? I think SDAs are the ones judging and persacuting the true body of Christ. SDA need to realize it's not about being victimized or persecuted, it about a Loving God whose Grace and Rightessness is sufficient for all. It's not about the day you keep,or what you eat, or what you wear thats not what God desires of us. It's about Faith, Christ atonement was final and sufficient! His love,grace, and rightousness sustain us! Not man made laws, or people who claim to be a lesser light-Put your Faith in God! |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 5479
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 12:11 am: | |
Cortney, welcome to the forum! We're glad you finally joined us, and we look forward to hearing more of your story.
Colleen |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 3432
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 6:01 am: | |
Cortney, welcome to FAF. Glad you have joined us. When you are ready, please tell us of your journey with Jesus.
Very few churches are aware of SDAs and what they believe. I was surprised by this as I moved away from adventism and made non SDA friends. So, now, one of the things God presents to me is to tell others what SDAs believe. I do that whenever he gives me the opportunity.
That is so awesome.
Diana |
Helovesme2
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Username: Helovesme2
Post Number: 850
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 7:43 am: | |
Cortney wrote:
"SDA's believe we the christian church are persecuting them now, because they are vegetarians,keep the sabbath, and live a [controlled] religious lifestyle. In the end time we will persecute and even murder them just for keeping the sabbath."
So true! I thought that way before God freed me from SDAism, and I know many, many SDAs who continue to believe that. It hurts to realise how fearful they are of who I, and other formers who have found Jesus, have become. It hurts even more to watch them kick and buck and run away from God's persistant calling to them.
She continued, "SDAs like to play the perpetual victums , it empowers them to be the victums, it gives them a false sense of security, in the fact that they believe they must be persecuted to be the true remnant. In a way, their paranoid thinking convinces them ,that they truly are the rightious remnant."
Someone once remarked that some people have a case of 'terminal uniqueness'. Unfortunately anyone who continually runs from reality (even, and perhaps especially, because they think they are the only ones to even have 'the truth') fit that description quite well! I'm pained to watch their brave defiance brought on by the deception they are under. At the same time I rejoice to know that even in the midst of all that deception and fear God is working, calling, wooing, and is actively persuing each one. And all that are His will hear His voice and will follow Him!!!
Things don't work on our timetable, but when we know God and are known by Him we discover that they don't have to work on our timetable. All they have to do is work according to His will.
What an awesome, loving, kind, just, amazing, God we serve!! I wouldn't trade the freedom I've found in Jesus for anything!
Blessings,
Mary
PS: O yes, and welcome to the forum Cortney! I'm glad it has been a blessing to you. It's a continuing blessing to me too!
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Honestwitness
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Username: Honestwitness
Post Number: 237
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 7:44 am: | |
I've found that when I tell others what Adventists believe, they get sort of a glazed look over their eyes. It's like they don't even want to know, because it's so complex.
Part of me wants to go on a major campaign to educate Evangelical Christians about Adventism, because they or their children could be the next ones to fall prey to the latest Revelation seminar.
The other part of me wants to "forget those things that are behind" and just get on with being assimilated into Evangelical Christianity and my own healing.
Colleen, Richard, Dale and Carolyn: I admire you so much for your valiant efforts to educate about Adventism. Your work undergirds my healing process and ministers to so many who are just becoming aware of the deception in Adventism.
Welcome, Cortney. Keep on sharing your wisdom with us.
Honestwitness |
Grace_alone
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Username: Grace_alone
Post Number: 475
Registered: 6-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 12:13 pm: | |
Hi Cortney! Welcome. Tell us your story when you're ready.
 Leigh Anne |
Cathy2
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Username: Cathy2
Post Number: 261
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 6:18 pm: | |
Colleen,
I feel for you having to have done all that! Thank you for telling us about it. It gave me a lot of insight into the faculty from when I went to boarding school. Explains why some seemed a bit stressed.
Glad you are free!
Welcome Cortney!
Cathy |
Flyinglady
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Post Number: 3435
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2007 - 7:44 pm: | |
I want to tell you about my SDA schooling. I think the SDA grade school and academy would have gotten in trouble with the government because of child labor. From the age of 12 on I worked at the school by cleaning toilets, etc to help pay my tuition. My parents encouraged this also because we were poor. My self and the 2 sisters older than me were farmed out to families to clean and work as servants and they paid our tuition. My two older sisters worked for SDA doctors. I was fortunate that the people, for who I worked, were not SDA and treated me more like a child of theirs. We went to a day academy.
When my youngest sister was in academy, Mom wanted to farm her out also and she said no. I am so glad she did.
Thank God those days are over. He is so awesome.
Diana |
Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 1560
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2007 - 11:50 am: | |
Ditto, HW!
Grace, my ex also said going to a boarding high school was much better than living at home was....and his father was/is an SDA minister. |
Atsdaschool
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Username: Atsdaschool
Post Number: 1
Registered: 3-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 12:41 pm: | |
Hi. I'm currently a Senior at an SDA boarding school across the country from home... however, I'm not SDA. I've been taught some things I disagree with at this school and things that they seem to have taken out of context (like the other week we had a bible study on "keeping the sabbath" but it seemed as though all they did was find any verse that mentioned the word "sabbath" to support themselves, even if it had nothing to do with the topic.) It's been a challenge to be surrounded by preachers that will come in and talk of "the mark of the beast" and basically say that I'm going to hell because I worship on Sunday But... it's also been interesting and educating. Anyways, any suggestions on reading material I can get on the adventist views vs. christian views? Thank youuu! |
Flyinglady
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Post Number: 3444
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 5:29 pm: | |
Atsdaschool,
Welcome to FAF. Read your Bible and ask God to teach you so you do not get caught up in the SDA doctrine.
Go to the links section of this website and follow them. You will find all kinds of informations. There are also books on LAM that you can order by D. Ratzlaff, and others.
I will be praying for you.
Diana |
Colleentinker
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Post Number: 5500
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 5:31 pm: | |
Hi, Atsdaschool! I'm so glad you've joined us here. We'd love to hear how you, a non-SDA, came to be at an SDA boarding school!
For starters on reading material, if you go to the homepage of this website, you'll find a picture of Proclamation and below that a couple of links, one of which is to an index of all the back issues. You can learn a LOT about Adventism by reading through some of those articles! You can go to "Sabbath" or "Law" or "judgment", etc., and find some very helpful articles.
We look forward to hearing more from you!
Colleen |
Cw
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Post Number: 130
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 5:35 pm: | |
ATSDASCHOOL, welcome to FAF. I'm not SDA either but I got a couple of Dale Ratzlaff's books, THE TRUTH ABOUT SDA TRUTH and WHITE OUT which taught me a lot-and schocked me a lot. Plus, those on this forum who have lived their lives in SDA have great answers for those of us who have not.
CW |
Helovesme2
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Post Number: 855
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 06, 2007 - 6:07 pm: | |
Welcome Atsdaschool!
Your story makes me curious. How did you come to attend a school so far from home? How did you end up in an SDA one? Do you have SDA relatives? Of course if you don't feel comfortable answering these questions that's quite alright!
I attended an SDA school about 9 hours drive from my parents house, but I had an SDA heritage even if my parents' names were not then on the SDA books, and at that time they had left the church but not the doctrines.
Blessings,
Mary |
Atsdaschool
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Registered: 3-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 11:03 am: | |
Hi! Thank you all -- Im excited to start reading 
Well, how I got here... my mother comes from a line of very active SDAs and grew up in the church. That entire side of my family is SDA. She actually came to this school for her first 2 years of highschool and LOVED it. After she married my dad she started questioning the SDA beliefs which was painful to her family... but since this is the school where she went she felt comfortable with my going here -- and of course my SDA grandparents were elated and help pay for tuition.
After talking with her on the phone about some of the things preachers have said while i've been here, she decided to look into the true beliefs of SDAs and was mortified to find what she'd grown up in. I know she's started reading more into it and I've asked her to pass along any material she finds.
I do love this school - it's been a great learning experience and I wouldnt switch schools, but I want to make sure I stay in the truth and not get caught up in the beliefs here...
Thank you all for your help |
Nicole
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Post Number: 43
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 12:04 pm: | |
i still have a hard time believing or understanding that adventists really believe that other christians willl persecute them in the end. this just makes no sense to me. do all adventists believe this? it is definitely a very bizarre, paranoid attitude for one to carry in life. i have learned so much from this forum and the other websites, but it is really overwhelming sometimes to think about it.
and i hope colleen and richard (and others) continue to reach out to people who have no idea what adventism really is about. i definitely had no idea nor did any one else i have talked to about it. nonadventists definitely see it as another protestant denomination that goes to church on saturady. no big deal. |
Snowboardingmom
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Post Number: 244
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 12:35 pm: | |
Nicole, yes Adventists do really believe in this paranoia. Now, on the outside, I realize how silly this is. You're right, for the most part, no one cares what day you go to church on, much less chase you into the mountains for it!
Not only is this paranoia about Sunday keepers persecuting Adventists, but former Adventists are actually the ones they are the most frightened about. Even with our own family members, once we left the church, they actually became concerned that we would turn them into the authorities to be killed at the end of time. And this is family...
You're right, Nicole, it makes absolutely no sense. (As an Adventist though, I was certain of it! There is so much fear associated with Adventism.)
By the way, welcome Atsdaschool! Glad you're here.
Grace |
Colleentinker
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Post Number: 5508
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 7:11 pm: | |
The more liberal Adventists (like those in Loma Linda) would not agree that they will persecute anyone. But many of them are so liberal they barely believe in Jesus.
The fact is that Adventism teaches that Christianity will persecute the Sabbath-keepersóand, as Grace said, former Adventists will be the worst persecutors. Richard's mom also asked him if he was going to shoot her in the Time Of Trouble.
As you're discovering, Nicole, Adventism is NOT what it appears to be on the outside. Inside, it is dark and frightening.
Colleen |
Flyinglady
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Post Number: 3450
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 08, 2007 - 7:22 pm: | |
I remember being taught about the RCC and I have a beloved uncle who is a Catholic priest. All my relatives on my Mom's side of the family are RCC. I just never really believed it, because I could not see my cousins and my dear uncle being so mean. Thank God, I do not have to believe that any more.
What an awesome God you are.
Diana |
Olga
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Post Number: 51
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 8:35 am: | |
My mom asked me whose side I would be on when the persecution comes; would I be persecuting them?
I pray God will shine His light on their dark souls--I remember being afraid of the persecution; my family is still living in fear!!! God please Help!!!
Olga |
Ikilgore
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Post Number: 31
Registered: 11-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 11:48 pm: | |
Aloha everyone!
I have some wonderful news. They are closing Broadview Academy here in Illinois!!! My dad told me about it on Wednesday. I just about jumped for joy. I thought it funny that the Conference said that they were looking into putting some type of satelite school at the church that my parents go to. Hmm... hopefully it doesn't happen. Pray that God will work in this matter and that it doesn't happen. |
Reb
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Post Number: 19
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 2:49 pm: | |
It is true that SDAs believe other Christians will persecute him. Last summer a pastor from the Phillipines who was visiting the SDA Church I attend(against my will) gave a sermon that was basically a 45-minute rant about how the RCC had a secret council in Brazil that was planning the Sunday Laws.
There is No such thing going on. It't this kind of paranoia that started me really questioning the SDA church.
Funny thing though, I read somewhere where just a few years ago in an African country(I forgot which one) the SDA church happened to be cozy with the government of that country and influenced the government of that country to not give the Seventh Day Baptist Church legal recognition. Wouldn't this amount to the SDA Church persecuting Seventh Day Baptists.
I bet when I "come out of the closet" as a Seventh Day Baptist at the SDA church my wife kind of makes me attend I may be persecuted. |
Colleentinker
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| | Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 5:00 pm: | |
Yes, Reb, Ellen says that Avdentists will be persecuted by Sunday-keepers, and their worst persecutors will we those who once knew "the truth" but left it.
Colleen |
Reb
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Post Number: 26
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| | Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - 7:59 am: | |
But what I find interesting is instances of how Adventists persecute, albeit mildly, others.
Like the instance I mentioned in that country in Africa where the SDAs are cozy with the government and influenced it to not give the Seventh Day Baptist Church legal recognition(isn't this a form of persecution).
And at my son's SDA school, my son's best friend is a Mormon and my son's Mormon friend is always being picked on by the SDA kids. They yell. "Go to Utah" and pick on him. |
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