Post Number: 753
|Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 8:27 am: || |
The discussion came up on CARM about why it is common among SDA's to believe it might be better to pray silently so that Satan can't hear one's prayer and interfere in some way. Did Ellen White say something to that effect? I can't think of anything where she directly said that, but only that vision where professed Christians who rejected William Miller's "saving message" had their prayers answered by Satan. Does anyone here know where the idea came from that a person is better off not praying out loud? Jeremy?
Post Number: 750
|Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 9:44 am: || |
I don't of course know why it is common among Adventist but I have heard it discussed among the Evangelical community as well so it is not just an Adventist thing. I just wanted to bring that out and throw it in the pot, but since I obviously am going to be no help to you at all accept to think maybe going around whispering might be giving him a little undeserved one upmanship I will await my education along with you.
Post Number: 528
|Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 10:41 am: || |
I do recall my mother warning me not to express worries, temptations, or weaknesses out loud because Satan and his demons then use that information to mess with me.
I don't think this one is from Ellen White, I just think it is a product of my mother's gullibility and fascination with demonic activity.
Post Number: 1785
|Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 12:05 pm: || |
I wasn't sure about it, but my sister knew it came from EGW. Here is one quote from EGW on the subject:
"The adversary of souls is not permitted to read the thoughts of men; but he is a keen observer, and he marks the words; he takes account of actions, and skillfully adapts his temptations to meet the cases of those who place themselves in his power. If we would labor to repress sinful thoughts and feelings, giving them no expression in words or actions, Satan would be defeated; for he could not prepare his specious temptations to meet the case.
"But how often do professed Christians, by their lack of self-control, open the door to the adversary of souls! Divisions, and even bitter dissensions which would disgrace any worldly community, are common in the churches, because there is so little effort to control wrong feelings, and to repress every word that Satan can take advantage of. As soon as an alienation of feeling arises, the matter is spread before Satan for his inspection, and the opportunity given for him to use his serpentlike wisdom and skill in dividing and destroying the church. There is great loss in every dissension. Personal friends of both parties take sides with their respective favorites, and thus the breach is widened. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Criminations and recriminations are engendered and multiplied. Satan and his angels are actively at work to secure a harvest from seed thus sown." (Selected Messages, Book 1, page 122 paragraph 4-page 123 paragraph 1.)
EGW sure tried to turn Satan into a god.
(Message edited by Jeremy on May 12, 2007)
Post Number: 2409
|Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 1:52 pm: || |
Jeremy, have you compiled a booklet of weird and wacky EGW quotes that we can print off so we can have them handy?
Jeremy, Have you compiled a handy booklet of EGW quotes so we can copy them off and have them redilly available? You know so many of them!
Post Number: 271
|Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 9:07 pm: || |
My SDA parents taught me the same thing, Raven, using the EGW quote Jeremy gave.
I was frequently paranoid that Satan (And the dark, as some others of you were too!) would overhear anything I said--and use it against me--not just in prayer to God, but my daily mutterings of a child.
I was constantly afraid of Satan, until my 30's, when I learned better of Christ, out of Adventistm.
Satan gets too much power in Traditional Adventism.
Christ, the only true power. Satan and demons only have illusions, lies.
BTW, I see several new members. Welcome!
Post Number: 31
|Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 11:08 am: || |
Thanks, Jeremy for finding that quote. I was taught that as a very young child; and constantly worried that what I said would be used against me by the temptations of satan. Cathy, you're absolutely right when you say satan gets too much power in traditional Adventism. Existing under the shadow of adventist teachings placed one in fear of doing or saying the "wrong thing" and then maybe you would not remember what it was so I could ask for forgiveness. Or again, maybe I would be tempted to sin because of what I had said. Wow! Just boggles my mind. The Power of God is so awesome, and He is my strength and my Redeemer. Coming to know a minute bit of the Omnipotence of God is the greatest thing that has ever happened to me. I trust Him and Praise Him for lifting the veil for me and many loved ones. I pray others will find the joy also!
Post Number: 754
|Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 2:17 pm: || |
Yes, Jeremy - thanks! I find it interesting, River, that SDA's are not the only ones to think that way.
Post Number: 33
|Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 8:12 am: || |
I have been acutely concerned about what Satan is doing, about being tricked, etc. It is so wonderful to focus on Christ now. I can remember the tremendous focus on Satan and evil angels when I was an adventist.
Post Number: 1571
|Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 12:09 pm: || |
Yes, like River, I've heard that scripture doesn't teach Satan can read our thoughts. So, if we pray our fears and worst things in our head, Satan won't know where our weakensses are. A lady leading a Bible study used an example one time that she'd seen a lady in a resturant have an epileptic seisure and she commented she would hate to have that...a period of time later, she began having seisures. I don't know if it's coincidence or not... But I don't think Satan can read thoughts or our Spirits like God can...like when it says the holy spirit intercedes for us. Maybe it is something Ellen borrowed....
Post Number: 919
|Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 3:04 pm: || |
I too have heard that Satan can't read our thoughts, but I'll bet, since he's had millenniums of practice, he's pretty good at reading expression, posture, etc. . . either way though we need not fear him for 'greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world'. Not only are we God's subjects, we're His children, and our Father is is the Creator and King of the Universe.
What an awesome God we serve!