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| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 826 Registered: 10-2002  |
Recently on another thread I piggybacked one of Ric's comments and verbalized that the 28 fundamental beliefs of SDA aren't really the true fundamental beliefs of SDA. There are other "fundamentals" underneath. So I was kind of curiously wondering what the real fundamental beliefs are. These would be the things that most all Adventists can agree on. Of course, if you were a super-Adventist (a historic/traditional faithful EGW-reading Adventist), then you would have a longer list of "fundamentals". However, I'm thinking of the unspoken things that even the more "liberal" Adventists don't want to challenge. Not so much the spelled-out details of doctrines, but rather the unspoken beliefs that undergird those doctrines. There are many details even Adventists argue about, but underneath there are some basic ideas which can't be challenged. It may take some strange digging through memories to remember how we felt, but maybe a good list of this might come in handy someday? Anyway, here's a short list to get started, in no particular order: ***** 1) The SDA church is special. It's special among churches and has "truth" that other churches need to catch up with. SDA is basically the leader. 2) God started SDA. The great disappointment was from God, and the non-SDA churches missed what He was trying to show them, basically missing the boat of where He wanted to take them. 3) God spoke through Ellen White importantly in some degree or another, and you simply can't throw her writings away. 4) You're closer to God if you're vegetarian, and even more if you're vegan. 5) You're closer to God if you're more active in church. 6) You're closer to God if you read EGW more. 7) You're supposed to give tithe to the church. 8) The Sabbath is special and important to God. He's not happy if you ignore it. 9) You must not say you're "saved". It is presumption. You're only saved on the last day. 10) You won't be safe in the end if you leave the Sabbath. You can think the SDA church has gone wrong, but you can't leave the Sabbath. ***** (Message edited by agapetos on May 26, 2007) | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2007 |
Nice post. I would flesh out #2 a little by saying that there is no disappointment without first a DECEPTION! You always hear about the "great disappointment" ad nauseum, but you never, ever hear about the "great deception". That the SDA's believe that Wm. Millers message that the world would conclude in 1843 was the First Angels message is preposterous, pure assertion, no evidence. The 1843 message was the wrong event, and wrong time, pure and simple. Thus there was zero truth in it, yet SDA's are calling it something straight from the book of Revelation! That is worse than adding to Revelation, it is adding impurity and ERROR to Revelation. Make the SDA's prove they are immune from adding to Revelation (22:18) is all I say! | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 19 Registered: 4-2007 |
Strange! If the SDA denomination is truly God’s remnant church why not publicly post the above unspoken beliefs? After all, they’re right and everyone else is wrong If they are the leader in the understanding of ALL BIBLICAL TRUTH why are they so concerned about how the apostate ‘daughters’ perceive them. What choice do the ‘outsiders’ have, it’s ‘Join us or die’. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3680 Registered: 3-2004  |
Jonvil, I have often thought the same thing. Why hide and "fudge" anything if they are the remnant? Diana | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 779 Registered: 9-2006  |
The only remnant they are is the remnant of the great capitulation headed toward the great disintegration and will find tribulation because they have refused regeneration without Bible augmentation and amplification and instead are the remnant seed of E.G.W who out of her hate mongering for Christians, did squat and bear a bad seed of which integrity had no part of and therefore no chance for reconciliation with intensification as long as that disregard for the Christian community of believers exists. Today that seed hides behind Christian wording to capture silly people laden with their own inability's caused by discontent within their own boundaries and failures. Well, truth is I ain't got much larnin but it sounded good anyhow.  River (Message edited by river on May 26, 2007) | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1815 Registered: 10-2004  |
Hehe, River, you could make a good rap song out of that!  Jeremy | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 780 Registered: 9-2006 |
The falsification of indoctrination resulting in no justification has resulted in misrepresentation with no glorification succeeding in segregation and isolation without integration or capitalization of creation. The remnant residue is traceable to the remainder of shackled citizens at the foot of the realm and the realization of theorization has befell them due to lack of exposition of the quandary creating a circular false logic which is problematic to the sanitization of plagiarization. The problematic pulling up of themselves by bootstrapping of works and has the resultant consequences of desensitization to their own cognitive dissonance and despondences in particular. River | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3682 Registered: 3-2004 |
ROFL Diana | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 5908 Registered: 12-2003  |
River, you're just funny! Ramone, good post. Colleen | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 549 Registered: 6-2006  |
Talk about a run-on sentence! hehehe | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 828 Registered: 10-2002 |
Oh my goodness, River. I was just laughing. But now I'm hit so hard and crying in the Spirit, because it's true, and I feel God's heart crying out for them. Lord, I don't know what to say. Extend sight to them, and use us as Your hands to reach them in any way, to help them find rest in You from all this junk, in Your name, Jesus, amen. | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 782 Registered: 9-2006 |
Without grace where would hope be, Lord I do ask of thee’ Without assurance, where would grace be, Lord I ask of thee’ If thy word is false, as do say the university, where do I go for truth, Lord I ask of thee’ Without thy tender forgiving mercy’s, I would be led astray! Give me grace just one more time, Lord to thee I pray’ So this hill that I can climb, it is just for today’ Oh, have mercy and grace lord, for one more time today’ For I have failed and where am I, if not for grace I pray’ Lord you know how weak I am! So I must look beyond the pale’ So tis by your grace I cling, by one old rusty nail. Oh God! tis your grace I cling, lest all hope is gone’ So too that one old rusty nail I cling, your hope doeth lead me on. So Lord, too your grace I cling, your blood sufficient be’ Hope awakened yet again, my heart, my hope staid on thee. Lord may we give you our struggles this morning so that we become still and silent before your majesty. Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. If we never needed grace those words would not mean much and we wouldn’t have much need for finding it now would we? I don’t know about you but I woke up this morning yet in need again to find that grace sufficient for today. I do hope you get enjoyment out of the words that seemed to flow from my heart this morning. River | ||
| Stevendi Registered user Username: Stevendi Post Number: 112 Registered: 10-2006 |
Take 3 - Adventism makes me tired. steve | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3684 Registered: 3-2004 |
JESUS CHRIST MAKES ME ALIVE AND AWAKE AND ALERT. Thank you God. You are always awesome. Diana | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 784 Registered: 9-2006 |
Adventism makes me tard since I am from Arkansas, I never get tired but I sure get tard Steve old scudder. How are the rockies treatin ye? | ||
| Toria Registered user Username: Toria Post Number: 142 Registered: 2-2006  |
River, you do have way with words. Thank you for sharing the 'heartflow' from this morning. Blessings Toria | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 24 Registered: 4-2007 |
Chasing down SDA circular logic would make anyone tard (I feel dizzy-I think I’m going to faint) | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 4 Registered: 5-2007  |
Since I am new to this forum (or any other) I have been mostly busy reading what others have to say on a variety of topics. It has been over fifty years since I have been under SDA teaching or influence, so it will take me a little time to bring back some of the old memories. Of course, part of what I am doing is figuring out the mechanics of how a forum functions. One side issue; Is there somewhere I can go and learn the basics of a forum? For instance; What is a "thread", anyway? And Diana; What is "ROFL"? Anyway, back to the "28 fundamental beliefs" of the SDA Church. I would like to add number twenty-nine. It is: Hide your identity when witnessing to those outside the true church. Hide because the world is out to persecute us. Hide because we know no one will believe us if they know who we are. As a child out Harvest Ingathering during the Christmas season, I was told to never volunteer the information that we were with the SDA. Even today, when I find a Signs Of The Times magazine, I notice that you have to look very hard to discover who is behind the publication. Recently, there was an SDA evangelistic campaign in our area. Only when I took the name on a Google search, did I find that it was being put on by the SDA's. By the way, it also bothered me that the church was really down on most things related to Christmas but it was ok to collect money from the pagans of the world. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3686 Registered: 3-2004 |
Phil, A thread is a subject like this one that every one that wants to comments on. ROFL means "rolling on floor laughing" and LOL means "laughing out loud". Any other questions I can answer? Diana | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 785 Registered: 9-2006 |
Hi Phil, welcome to this forum, you will find yourself among friends here I am sure. You used the word "Harvest gathering", I would like to know what that consist of since I never heard the term used. There is good info under help/instructions which you will see at the bottom of the page. In Christ River | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3688 Registered: 3-2004 |
River, Th SDA Harvest Ingathering is a once a year going out into the community around the church, where we live or where the church chooses, to ask people for money for mission work. It used to happen between Thanksgiving and Christmas. There would be either recorded Christmas music or live music as we went from door to door. It got to where people did not like to go out and ask for money, so the conference would assess each member so much money to put in the offering for ingathering. The last time this happened to me, it was $25.00. The pastor's wife called me and asked me when I was going to pay it. She was not the church treasurer and I let her know it was none of her business as she was not supposed to be calling me and asking me about it as she was not the church treasurer. I reported her to the conference. That may have been one of the reasons my name was taken off the church books. Who knows and I really do not care and did not care when I found out my name had been taken off the church books. But I digress. That is what harvest ingathering is all about. Any more questions? Diana | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 786 Registered: 9-2006 |
Thanks Dianna, that pretty much covers it, well everybody already knows what I think so I won’t belabor it. I remember when I sent Dale my analysis of Adventism at the end of my four year study, that was before I came to the forum, he said it was accurate and Holy Spirit graced, although it might have been accurate I hadn’t near reached the bottom of that barrel, I was just checking Adventist beliefs that I knew from communicating with Adventist against what the Bible says. I wish I had kept the letter I sent Dale so I could see how and where my mind has been changed over time. Just about time I think I am at the bottom of the barrel I learn something else. I am sorry you had to endure a call like that Dianna and it helps me to understand why many turn away from seeking God for a time, sometimes years. I know statistically that there are others out there whom Adventism has turned out of the way. Of course one can’t have much of a burden for those whom he does not know for sure even exist more than a burden for the situation but we do know that if there is one there is surely more. There are days that I forget the journey that I have been taken on and then there are days that it all comes flooding back. This long journey surely has not been for nothing although I can’t truthfully put my finger on the reasoning behind it, I suppose it is like many things we just have to trust in the Lord for his wisdom in these things, I think someday I will get a better picture of what it was all about. You know when I see the word “Harvest ingathering” I automatically think “Souls for Jesus”, I might have known! Thank you for being here Dianna. River | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3689 Registered: 3-2004 |
River, I may have left adventism but I did not completely leave God. I had worship with my son every morning and evening and I did take him to church. I was also in a 12 step program which eventually substituted for my "religious beliefs". I had more peace from that then I had from church. God was letting me go through some lessons that I needed. Diana | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 75 Registered: 5-2007 |
The fudging, errors, and deception are all why I can no longer be an Adventist. The circular reasoning is enough to drive me nuts! I can't stand the utter lack of logical reasoning in Adventitst beliefs. That coupled with the bigotry and intolerance toward other Christians that the SDAs have, makes me ill. (Message edited by Reb on May 28, 2007) | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1828 Registered: 10-2004 |
I thought that that bigotry was so well exemplified in the letter to the editor in the latest Proclamation! that said: "[I] don't want to have anything to do with your kind." Of course, as we know, that bigotry against Christians comes from EGW. Jeremy |
