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| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 240 Registered: 5-2007 |
An Adventist on CARM told me today in a post that because as an SDB I do no subscribe to the Adventist state of the dead doctrine, when the Sunday Laws come the spirits of those that I know are dead will try to tell me that in Heaven they have been keeping Sunday. I'm not kidding, an Adventist just told me that today, they are trying to scare me back into the Adventist church but it won't work. I'm not buying it for ONE MINUTE. Even though I believe the spirits of the dead in Christ are conscious and With Him I do not believe they can contact us nor we them. There is no communication with them. EVERYTHING with them on CARM winds up being a discussion on the Sabbath, no matter what the thread is on. It's almost like they're programmed or something. I truly believe they are brainwahed, just read some of the nonsense they post on CARM and you will come to the same conclusion. | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 636 Registered: 6-2006  |
Reb, I wish you were far enough away from Adventism that you could just laugh at the absurdity of that statement. What do they know of the spirits of the dead if they don't believe in spirits gone to Heaven? I don't get that. You're right, they are programmed. Just laugh. They're telling you fairy tales.  Leigh Anne | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 242 Registered: 5-2007 |
Thanks, Leigh Anne. I am laughing about it right now. Why don't they just call their "Red Books" EGW's Fractured Fairy Tales? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6188 Registered: 12-2003  |
Leigh Anne--good observation! Colleen | ||
| Insearchof Registered user Username: Insearchof Post Number: 124 Registered: 8-2005 |
How sad. Even though you are in unity (of a sort anyway) regarding the Sabbath, someone has to make an issue of something else. I read a post or two at revivalsermons.org that basically stated that there could be NO unity with other Christians because the did not accept the Sabbath and EGW. I got a call Saturday from a current member of the SDA church I used to attend. The pastor had said from the pulpit that 'we need to move on past salvation' (how in the world do you do tha, anyway?) to an uderstanding of 'where we are in the time of the end' and that 'the Sabbath was the seal of God'. Sadly, only one or two members really heard that what was being said was a direct contradiction of Scripture. I fear that it will never get better... ISO | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3910 Registered: 3-2004  |
Reb, What thread is that you are writing about?? I want to read it. I do not doubt you, I just want to read it for myself. God is using you on CARM. Keep holding up Christ. Diana | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 78 Registered: 5-2007  |
Reb, As long as you worship in a Seventh Day Baptist church there is another problem that will probably never come up. Also, as long as you know that our Sabbath Rest is in Jesus Christ and not in Saturday, the seventh day of the week, this other issue will not come up. Adventist are not the only ones to be confused on the subject of the Sabbath. It goes like this; a preacher will step up to the pulpit and say that Sunday is the Christian Sabbath and that God changed the day himself. I had a pastor make that statement and when I challenge him for scripture proof, he had none. Sunday worship is simply that, a day of worship. Our Sabbath rest is the Lord, not a day of the week. At that point in my experience, I started taking notes during his sermons and found that most Sundays, he was misquoting scripture. One of the reasons this alarmed me is that when you attempt to prove that Sunday is our "Sabbath", you give the SDA people a wedge to lie to you in the same way Satan was able to do so with Eve in the garden. When we add to what is not in the Bible we are vulnerable. Phil | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 66 Registered: 4-2007 |
Reb, I read that post on CARM! I can't imagine what kind of mind would write such drivel. Something about SDA theology attracts lunatics | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1899 Registered: 10-2004  |
Actually, I think that SDA theology produces lunatics, also. Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on July 02, 2007) | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6191 Registered: 12-2003 |
I have thought for several years now that Adventism either sucks people into a spiral that leads to mental illness or anxiety disorders (including OCD, etc.) or it spins them out into agnosticism. If a person manages to search for and find Jesus, they have hope of escape. If someone really believes Adventism to be truth, however, he will be driven crazy by his inability to live up to its demands or he will have to resort to extreme skepticism that will not allow any other understanding of Jesus. It is truly a deep and suffocating bondage. Colleen | ||
| Bmorgan Registered user Username: Bmorgan Post Number: 148 Registered: 7-2000 |
Reb, The person on CARM sounds crazy but what he said is not a strange Adventist teaching. I have heard and read those same things from credible people in the church. The teaching is to innoculate people from being deceived. (Satan imitating dead relatives would come and tell us Sabbath is Sunday). The isn't a kook-He is stating SDA belief. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1900 Registered: 10-2004 |
Yes, that teaching comes straight from The Great Controversy by Ellen G. White. Jeremy | ||
| Stevendi Registered user Username: Stevendi Post Number: 150 Registered: 10-2006 |
My translation of Adventists doctrine of soul sleep: "We're afraid of spooks". steve | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 243 Registered: 5-2007 |
Good one, Steve. You hit the nail right on the head! Diana, it's on the "Yet another Sabbath Thread-sorry" on CARM. Adventism does produce anxiety, it caused me a lot of anxiety. My wife now understands this and is not protesting my leaving anymore. She's actually getting more and more ok with me attending the SDB church and I now even have hope she might attend it with me some time. She wishes I hadn't developed anxiety problems from Adventism and thinks it was due to weak faith but she notices and likes the calmer, happier me since leaving Adventism. Progress is coming. Y'all should check out the Adventist drivel on CARM. It ALL revolves around the Sabbath no matter what the topic is. I started a Thread about Adventists trying to hinder the work of SDBs in Burundi and the first response came from An Adventist asking me WHY I worshipped on the Sabbath as an SDB. Then other posts from Adventists on this same thread about how they get "picked" on about the Sabbath and SDBs and MJs don't. People tried to explain because SDBs and MJs don't have a false theology that demonizes people who worship on Sunday like the Adventists do but they just kept whining and even accused me of not "loving" them and "attacking" them for starting that thread which was not attacking any individual Adventist but merely pointing out a rotten deed of the Adventist organisation. For those of you on CARM check out the "Dirty Pool in Africa" thread I started and you will see how EVERYTHING with Adventists gets turned into something about the Sabbath. (Message edited by Reb on July 03, 2007) | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 975 Registered: 9-2006  |
Sadly spiritual darkness is just that, spiritual darkness. ISO writes: I read a post or two at revivalsermons.org that basically stated that there could be NO unity with other Christians because the did not accept the Sabbath and EGW. Now note the words "OTHER CHRISTIANS", they term others of the Protestant faith "other Christians". What I would like to know is that if we cannot find unity with "other Christians" then how are we true Christians. Jesus told Peter that if he did not take part in having his feet washed he could have no part in him, or words to that effect. I can have no unity with Adventism simply because I do not believe it is Christian, I have no spiritual confirmation to agree either, thats just the way it is. I just don't think there is a way that Adventism is going to agree with Christianity and when I say that I mean those four pillars of Christianity that I have mentioned several times on this website, that is what I am referring too. So am I saying that no Adventist is a Christian? No, what I am saying is that Adventism is not Christian and as long as it holds to those beliefs can ever be. If the shoe happens to fit, well then I guess a person will just have to wear it. What choice do we have, to treat the Adventist church as just another group of Christians or just tell it like it is? Does the law of love force us to agree with spiritual darkness, how about it Steve, does the law of love force us to agree with the Adventist works in darkness and chain us to them as "other Christians?" While they may feel chained to call us "other Christians I don't feel in the least chained to call someone who stakes his life on heresy as my Christian brother,in fact that has been a big open question in my mind all along from the day I began to ask the question "who are these people?" and nothing has happened to re-assure me so far, it just got worse the more I looked and either the Lord has shown me what it is and what is behind it or I am a complete idiot one or the other with no middle ground to work with. either idiot or discerner. Don't answer that part about me being an idiot! River | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 244 Registered: 5-2007 |
Tell it like it is ! I agree River, Adventism is NOT Christian but an Adventist CAN be a Christian IN SPITE OF Adventism. Adventism IS spritual darkness, it is what it is. Gotta love how you call it like you see it, River! | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 80 Registered: 5-2007 |
I also agree. There are Adventist who really are Christians. My Grandmother Ruth was a life-long Adventist, but displayed the love of Christ that could only have come from her heart. She never condemed me for leaving the SDA church. About the only thing that exposed her background was to teach my wife how to make a "nut loaf" that tasted as good as a regular meat loaf. Whenever we follow her reciepe it brings back memories of her love for us. Phil | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6192 Registered: 12-2003 |
River, you are right. I'm more and more aware, the farther from Adventism I get, how dark it is. I'm also increasingly aware of how hard it is for us formers to clearly label it spiritually dark. Somehow it brings up our own past: were we or were we not Christians? I'm at the place where I realize I don't have to answer that question. In many ways, I can't answer it. What I KNOW is that God Himself called me to Jesus and brought me out. He placed in me a desire to know Him and to discover truth. This desire was not remotely related to what I learned in Adventism. God Himself was preparing me and calling me. Just as Jesus reveals Himself to Muslims, He reveals Himself to Adventists. Adventism is not Christian, despite its public attempts to sound orthodox. God delivers His people from its darkness. All the praise and thanks are to Him. Adventism did not give me the gospel. God revealed Himself to me through His word and through His Spirit. I can only thank Him. Colleen | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 245 Registered: 5-2007 |
Amen, Colleen! | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 976 Registered: 9-2006 |
I gotta tell you, nowhere in the Bible do I see the law of love in Christ Jesus demanding that we love the unfruitful works of darkness, we gotta love one another according to my understanding of the Bible, but nowhere can I see that means we have to come into agreement with the unfruitful works of darkness. Nowhere did Jesus agree with heresy even though we know he loved all people enough to give his life for them and pay the penalty for our sins. No where did Paul compromise with the unfruitful works of darkness. Jesus said we could know someone by his fruits and Paul expounded on those fruits both good and bad. Adventism produces cognitive dissonance, elitism, consternation, worry, exhaustion, turmoil, uncertainty, condemnation, disharmony, self righteousness, false pride, spiritual slavery and more. If anyone can point out the fruits of the spirit it does produce I am prepared to listen, I just can’t think of any offhand. When I say unfruitful works of darkness I mean the opposite of the fruits of the Holy Spirit just to make that clear. In the final analyses God expects us to bear the fruits of the Spirit, some thirty; some sixty and some one hundred fold and I don’t believe the works of darkness has any ability to bear fruit at all. While it may appear that Adventism bears some fruit of the Spirit on closer examination even that is wormy and rotten on the inside. We better not be judgmental but we better be good fruit inspectors and be able to tell the difference between the fruit of the Spirit and the unfruitful works of darkness even in our own lives if we are to avoid being fooled, at least that is my take on it. Colleen, like you I am at a place to where I do not have to answer that question, neither is it my place to plumb the depths of the human heart and soul, although I have prayed and studied much about that very thing (Adventist Salvation question), the Holy Spirit has chosen to remain silent as to that question, and in his silence I believe that I have his answer, remain within my place and to love all men to the best of my ability and if I can even attain that I do well. River | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 325 Registered: 11-2005 |
Some excellent reading that emphasizes the difference is found at Mark Martin's Ex-Adventist website (http://www.exadventist.com/) in a publication called "Are the Gospel and the 1844 Theology Compatible". http://www.exadventist.com/Portals/0/Repository/Are%20the%20Gospel%20&%201844%20Theology%20Compatible%20by%20Brinsmead.pdf This shows how Adventism and Christianity are mutually exclusive. Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1902 Registered: 10-2004 |
"Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;" (Ephesians 5:11 NASB.) "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them." (Ephesians 5:11 NIV.) Jeremy | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6198 Registered: 12-2003 |
Yes, Jeremy, I agree; that text has popped out at me with the same meaning in the context of Adventism. Colleen | ||
| Bobalou Registered user Username: Bobalou Post Number: 55 Registered: 2-2005 |
Hey Phil, just a little humor to add to all the Phil's you mentioned in your family. I am glad your grandma Ruth wasn't named Phyllis. Not that there is anything wrong with the name.:-) boB |
