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| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 257 Registered: 5-2007 |
Check this out. Back to Enoch ministries. http://www.backtoenoch.org/ The whole purpose of the Back to Enoch misnistries is to warn Adventists to leave the cities to prepare for the coming of the Sunday Laws. I had actually heard of this about a year ago when info about a Back to Enoch rally at the LA Convention Center was posted at an Indonesian SDA church in SoCal. My wife wanted to attend thinking we could get tips on how to get a weekend house out of the city cheap and I told her I don't think it's about that, they're going to terrorize people about the "Sunday Laws" and I'm not going. She then quickly dropped the idea as she doesn't go for this Sunday Law nonsense either. Someone please give me some tinfoil for the rabbit ear antenna on my telly! | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6208 Registered: 12-2003  |
Actually, Reb, the notion that God's people will need to move out of the cities and have houses where they have enough land to grow a garden and be self-sufficient is an old Adventist idea. Ellen taught it, and it's very much like the Mormon mentality of stockpiling food against their tribulation. Adventists don't emphasize stockpiling, but they do emphasize country living, and college classes in country living, soils, argiculture, etc. used to be very common in SDA colleges. They believe that Sabbath-keepers in the cities will be persecuted before those in the country will be because they will be more visible. Moving to the country where one has some land for a garden and orchard is almost a universal "subtext" in SDA minds--at least among the truly observant. The fascination with classes (often offered by local SDA churchs) in edible wild plants, etc., grows out of this certainty that Adventists will have to leave the cities and know how to fend for themselves, first in the country, then in the wilderness and mountains. Colleen | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 259 Registered: 5-2007 |
True, Colleen. This dude though, is using this to RAISE FEAR in people. He even put, out of context, a letter by the National Lords' Day Alliance, which is only about encouraging people to go to Church on Sunday and NOTHING about stopping people who want to worship on the Sabbath. He also has a 22 page "appeal to leave the cities" that he wrote, the purpose of which is to foment paranoia about Sunday Laws and is 100% Ellenisms. This Website is full of stuff that would really scare the stuffin' out of an EGW-Believing Adventist. IF I were still an Adventist and reading this drivel I would be obsessed with how I would be able to get out of Los Angeles, NOW! | ||
| Marysroses Registered user Username: Marysroses Post Number: 60 Registered: 4-2007 |
OK The cynic in me really wants to know.... How much $$$ are these people making off selling scary literature, how to manuals and maybe real estate? Reb mentioned getting information on a weekend house. I think having some food stored is an excellent idea, maybe not a year but its good cushion to have. Living in the country with a garden is a good thing if you like it. But companies that cater to mormons and their stockpiles of food make millions of dollars. The task is never done, even if you have a year of food, families change, needs change, and even foods meant for long term storage go out of date, bugs get into things if they aren't stored properly... $$$$ again building proper storage pantries...... You can bet there are contractors with shiny plans and fixtures just waiting to be asked...... Somehow thats what this reminds me of, something you can spend money on endlessly trying to achieve some ideal, and where there's money to be made, there's someone wanting to exploit the opportunity. If we are ever called on to suffer persecution for our faith, REAL persecution, not just a bit of bias or attitude, didn't God say he would provide? Beyond a few basics of a little extra food and medicine, which is excellent also for such mundane things as unemployment or unexpected bills, what do we really need anyway. MarysRoses | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 260 Registered: 5-2007 |
You got that right, MarysRoses! | ||
| Nicole Registered user Username: Nicole Post Number: 69 Registered: 4-2006 |
funny... my in-laws did just that. they moved to the country (far away from anything) and are starting this large garden.it is weird how my husband doesn't connect that to being sda and the fear of the sunday law thing. i think he really has no idea or has deeply surpressed it. he just thinks they like the country and want to save some money and have fresh vegetables. | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 269 Registered: 5-2007 |
Isn't the reason why SDAs have campouts is to "train" for the Sunday Laws? I actually enjoyed the campouts despite the reason for them. | ||
| Nicole Registered user Username: Nicole Post Number: 70 Registered: 4-2006 |
my husband loves camping, but again, i don't think he realizes the rationale behind all of those camping trips growing up. he just thought his parents were really cool and fun and likes the wilderness. | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 645 Registered: 6-2006  |
I sent them a message in "contact us" with some good news. Gave them some good Bible verses (in context) about no condemnation in Christ Jesus, and "I will never leave or forsake you" and about the seal of the Holy Spirit. I also gave them a small message about how devastating a "Sunday Law" would be for our country financially and no president would want it if he wanted to stay in office... I prayed as I wrote it, and hope that at least they'll read it. Wouldn't hurt!  Leigh Anne | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 274 Registered: 5-2007 |
That was cool. And really brave Leigh Anne! Hmmmmmmmm. Wonder what their response will be like. I know one of my arguments against Sunday Laws also has been that there is no way we would be able to force that on Red China. Like Red China is gonna do ANYTHING the US tells them to do! | ||
| Lori Registered user Username: Lori Post Number: 56 Registered: 11-1999 |
About 8 years ago, an Adventist friend, and her husband, whom I have known since childhood purchased 5 acres, sight unseen, in the Ozark mountains because the property had a cave on it. The plan is they can live in the cave when the time comes to leave the cities. I threw a wrench into her plan when I asked her if she purchased the property in their name. -Of course, we paid cash. I asked if the deed was in their names -Yes of course its in our name. So then I said well, don't you think that's a problem. --what do you mean? Well, I know you are listed on the membership rolls of the SDA church..don't you think the first thing they are going to do in order to hunt you down is find out what names are on the membership rolls and then trace them to residents and property. I would imagine the second place they would look for you is your property in the Ozarks. She was devastated the trail to their "hide-out" was so easy to follow. I was amazed she thought it would be such a secret!!! | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 276 Registered: 5-2007 |
Ummmm they should've done like Dale Gribble on King of the Hill and use the name "Rusty Shackleford". If any of you watch King of the Hill, don't you agree that Adventist eschatlogy sounds almost like it would come from a mind like Dale Gribble's who is a paranoid conspiracy theorist? | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 994 Registered: 9-2006  |
Do you all think this when why most of my Adventist friends own a motor home? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6216 Registered: 12-2003 |
Hmmm--maybe, River. At least I suspect it comes out of the general mindset. As Nicole said, a lot of Adventists aren't consiously thinking about fleeing the cities anymore, but getting away from people into the country is a common theme that comes from a common source. After we left Adventism and experienced knowing Jesus, Richard was absolutely startled to realize that he no longer resented the people on the beach when we'd go and walk in the summer. He used to feel that the people were despoiling God's creation and the natural beauty that was our "birthright"--God's "second book" of nature. Neither of us will ever forget the day when he realized the hundreds of people crowding the beach one day as we walked were all people who needed to know the Lord Jesus. We are here to be His witnesses. Jesus sent his disciples into the cities; Paul went into cities. The Bible has no message that sends Christ-followers away from the crowds where they can hide away from persecution. Colleen | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 93 Registered: 5-2007  |
I am responding to the theme of "country living": I am responding from the viewpoint of someone who has always been in the "country", even during times of city living (in Napa during high school, I worked as a gardener and landscaper). I love the mountains, the trees and all of God's creation. To me, it is something to share and not hide in it. For me, who is already in "the hills", it seems weird that I should run to a place I am already at. Furthermore, all the diet stuff being taught by SDA theologians seems, to me, to be from someone who has only lived in the city and has no clue what having a farm is all about. There is a place that only a cow or a chicken can fill. Not eating cheese or butter but drinking milk which is the source of both is just not logical. Vegetables are important but just where do you think all the fertilizer comes from? Not counting water, 90% or more of a plant, when it decays, returns to the air in the form of carbon based compounds. Without animals, the earth would not be replenished with what it needs to support plant life. On a farm you need both and eat both. Also, in the mountains, there is very little to eat other than wildlife. I have hiked all over the Olympic Mountains and have noticed, among other things, that the deer are starving. If you go there you had better bring food with you. If you go there you will have the same problem as the deer. The most I was ever able to carry on my back was maybe two or three weeks worth of lightweight supplies. During end times, we will need each other. Out of the love of Christ, those with food or shelter will feel compelled to support those who are desperate. This "every-man-for-himself" attitude expressed in this "head for the hills" paranoia is not Gods message of love and compassion for the suffering and lost. Phil | ||
| Wolfgang Registered user Username: Wolfgang Post Number: 143 Registered: 10-2005 |
I remember a few years ago a lady at the church did am edible herbs tour so we could be prepared....... I actually like it cause Im into natural health but the reasons for it were crazy | ||
| Raven Registered user Username: Raven Post Number: 781 Registered: 7-2004  |
One of my relatives is in an SDA college learning to be a search and rescue person. On one of their trips, they had to learn survival skills and live for awhile on certain things. One item they had to consume for the class was deer turds. I wonder if that's "clean." | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6222 Registered: 12-2003 |
Ha! Raven, I'm just laughing myself silly about now... You have a way with words. Colleen | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 999 Registered: 9-2006 |
Well Raven it don't sound too clean does it? I think the problem with that is that I might have to fight with the tumble bugs for my share. I suppose it would be a race to see which one gets there first, and although I feel I am a bit faster on my feet than a tumble bug, every tumble bug I have ever seen got there first! River | ||
| Philharris Registered user Username: Philharris Post Number: 94 Registered: 5-2007 |
River, Just for the record, the tumble bugs, whoever they are, are welcome to my share. On a more serious side, advacates of "prepare to flee to the hills" have no idea what it means in real life terms. The "survivor" programs on TV protray a "every person for themselves" mentality which is in conflect with the Christ's command to love our brother in the same way as we are to love God. Real survival means everybody comes out alive. In other words, the concern we now have for each other and the "lost" in the world extends to "end times" events. What we do then should simply be an extention of what we are now doing. Phil |
