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| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 383 Registered: 5-2007 |
Yummmmmmmmm. I had one of those new Baconator bacon cheesburgers from Wendy's for lunch today. It was to die for! Praise God that I have been set free! | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1068 Registered: 9-2006  |
Reb, if you get that excited over a Wendy's, I probably couldn't handle you over one of my BBQ Ribeye steaks, I'd have to give you mouth to mouth resuscitation or you would die so I guess we would have a dead Reb on our hands. River | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 3989 Registered: 3-2004  |
It is so good to be able to eat and drink without worrying about one's salvation. Thank you God, for shrimp and lobsters as well. Diana | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1069 Registered: 9-2006 |
And roadkill! | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1952 Registered: 10-2004  |
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| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 385 Registered: 5-2007 |
Yummmmmmmmmm Shrimp and lobster. I remember right after I had become an Adventist and couldn't eat shrimp anymore. I saw some shrimp and actually cried because I couldn't have it. One of the first things I did as soon as I no longer believed in Adventism was to go have some shrimp tacos. Yummmmm | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6319 Registered: 12-2003  |
Roadkill! That takes me back to Raven's question about whether deer turds—pronounced edible in a wilderness survival class—would be considered "clean". Colleen | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1070 Registered: 9-2006 |
Well, I'd prefer the roadkill over that. | ||
| Grace_alone Registered user Username: Grace_alone Post Number: 681 Registered: 6-2006  |
My husband actually had a salad with REAL bacon bits in front of his SDA parents the other day. Nobody said a word about it! Little by little... Leigh Anne | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1071 Registered: 9-2006 |
There is a Restaurant chain that has cranked up in the South called Shawnees where you can get a pretty good bait of shrimp, we ate a whole pile of them for lunch when I was down there. River | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 1072 Registered: 9-2006 |
Real bacon bits, think of that, boy did he really eat up. river | ||
| Blessed Registered user Username: Blessed Post Number: 55 Registered: 1-2007 |
A number of months ago some good friends of ours got together for dinner at one couples home. All of us are believers. We enjoyed a beautiful dinner and some wonderful wine. After dinner was finished us women went into the living room with our wine and began visiting. The men chose to stay around the dining room table. I remember looking up and noticing that the guys had two Bibles open and were discussing some wonderful truth and searching the scriptures. At the same time they were reaching for their wine. I thought back to all the times that I was taught that the Lord would not be present if any alcohol was served. I know that He was present and our fellowship as believers that night was so sweet (and so was the wine!!!!) Blessed | ||
| Treasurehntr Registered user Username: Treasurehntr Post Number: 20 Registered: 7-2007 |
Aha Moment!! Instead of a Church why don't we open the "Former Adventist Fellowship Buffet"! Thank you Lord the Pork Ribs and the Fire Mountian Buffet (they have a grill to die for). Kind of off topic but I have seen good SDA tear up the Fried Chicken new members bring to potluck..lol | ||
| Luzisbornagain Registered user Username: Luzisbornagain Post Number: 51 Registered: 7-2007 |
we could drink wine? I was wondering if I could, but wasn't sure. Is beer ok as well? After all it does say in colossians do not judge anyone on foor or 'drink', but doesn't proverbs say wine is a mockery? I guess what I'm trying to ask is, where do you draw the line? (Message edited by luzisbornagain on July 19, 2007) | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 391 Registered: 5-2007 |
Moderate consumption of alcohol is allowed by the Bible. It is excessive consumption to the point of drunkeness that is frowned on in the Bible. | ||
| Luzisbornagain Registered user Username: Luzisbornagain Post Number: 54 Registered: 7-2007 |
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Proverbs 20:1 | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 53 Registered: 7-2007 |
River, I like your posts. I'm afraid I would never be able to eat roadkill though! I still can't get past the sight of shrimp to eat it, but bacon and ham is good (Whatever I eat has to pass by my eyes before it can get to my mouth.) The Bible is SO CLEAR that "unclean" meats simply represented the separation of Israel from us "unclean" Gentiles in order to separate out a special people to bring the Messiah through. Leviticus 20:24-26 is really clear about that. "...I am the Lord your God, Who has separated you from the peoples. You shall therefore distinguish between clean animals and unclean..." Peter understood that "unclean" meats represented "unclean" people. In Acts 10, after his vision of the sheet full of animals, he learned not to call people "unclean" anymore. "...But God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean." Acts 10:28. Then Paul in Romans 14:14 says that there is nothing unclean and in 1 Timothy 4:1-5 he says that some in the latter times will give heed to doctrines of demons and command to abstain from foods "...For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving..." I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but I wanted to point out the texts behind our freedom in Christ, in case any Adventists are reading this. Dianne P.S. I know Doug Bachelor gets around this passage by saying something like: "Look at your neighbor. If you can eat 'every creature' then you can eat your neighbor." Of course that's rediculous. There's allready a command not to kill people! But when Doug Bachelor says that, the people listening laugh and feel they can disregard that text. Praise the Lord that Jesus "has broken down the middle wall of separation" (Ephesians 2:14) between Jew and Gentile! | ||
| Luzisbornagain Registered user Username: Luzisbornagain Post Number: 55 Registered: 7-2007 |
For those that think wine is okay, in the bible it says not even to look at it and many other versus speaks against any alcohol. "Look not thou upon the wine" (Proverb 23:31) Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder." Proverbs 23:29-32 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:" Isaiah 5:22 "But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment." Isaiah 28:7 "Woe unto him that giveth his neighbor drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!" (Habakkuk 2:15) If God's Word says not even to look at wine, what makes it ok for us to even take a sip of wine? So if I smoke marijuana moderately and not try to get high, will that be ok, too? Just a shot of whiskey can take your alcohol level over the legal limit. (Message edited by luzisbornagain on July 19, 2007) | ||
| Luzisbornagain Registered user Username: Luzisbornagain Post Number: 56 Registered: 7-2007 |
Also as believers we ought to be sober. Listen to the solemn words of Proverb 31:4, "It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:" Wine dulls the thinking and liquor diminishes the thinking integrity. Is not a believer higher in heaven than an earthly king or a prince? Most definitely, yes! Is not a child of God to have clear thinking? Absolutely! "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" (1 Peter 5:8). If you look for the word "sober" in the New Testament, it appears over and over concerning believers--we are to be sober (alert). The word "sober" means that we are to avoid ANYTHING that dulls our thinking or makes us vulnerable to Satanic attack. No believer has any business drinking alcohol. The Bible warns that the devil has it in for us--Satan wants to make us disappear, he wants to destroy us. Liquor is a very effective tool of the devil. Here's an article about the deceitfulness of alcohol by a man who saw his mother and uncle die due to alcohol abuse and his mom was a believer herself. http://jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Alcohol%20Kills/deceitfulness_of_liquor.htm The Deceitfulness of Liquor! by David J. Stewart "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise" (Proverb 20:1). I've known many believers to foolishly argue that Jesus turned water into intoxicating liquor (coincidentally all of those believers drank alcohol). Though I have tried to convince them otherwise using the Scriptures, they had already made up their minds. The bottom line is that YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH STATISTICS. 16,000 people were killed in alcohol related deaths in 2001 alone, and another 305,000 were hurt in alcohol related injuries. The Bible tells us in Proverb 20:1 that "strong drink is raging." One needs only listen to the news to realize that God's Word stands true. Death after death is caused because of liquor. Click HERE to read about a husband and his three children who were murdered by a drunk driver. Also, Drunk Driving Kills! Do a search below at Google, type in "killed by drunk driver" and plan to spend awhile reading about all the misery and destroyed lives. God knew what He was talking about when He put Proverb 20:1 in His Word. We also read that "Wine is a mocker." Wine is being personified here, it sits back and laughs at it's victims. Read Proverb 20:1 again, "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." The word "deceived" in Hebrew means "to reel in" or "to cause to go astray, mislead." Just as you would reel in a fish, so does the devil reel in the unsuspecting with alcohol. Liquor by nature has an element of deceit inherent to it--This is what the Bible teaches. You can argue about what Paul meant when he said "a little wine for the stomach's sake," but you can't argue with Proverb 20:1. Wine is a mocker, it scorns and laughs at it's foolish victims. Intoxicating drink is raging, it has unstable tendencies. When consumed by mortal men and women, liquor consumes. "Deceit" is the keyword when the Bible speaks of liquor. If you drink beer, you are being deceived! Liquor is an accident waiting to happen! I stood at a gravesite, over the bodies of a dead mother and her unborn baby--both killed by a drunk driver. I watched their coffins lowered into the ground. I saw the husband and remaining children cry with unforgettable tears. Yes friend, this is what the devil doesn't want you to see. This is what Miller, Budweiser (Bud Stupider), and all the other evil beer manufacturers DON'T want you to see. The devil always shows folks the front yard, not the back yard. Listen friend, you cannot eat at the devil's table without being poisoned. You cannot play with fire without being burned. Liquor is "deceitful." Do you think any youngster says, "When I grow up, I want to drink beer and kill someone with my car?" No, but it happens doesn't it? Why? because beer is deceitful! Do you think any man says, "Today I want to get drunk and beat my wife?" No, but it happens doesn't it? Why? because Liquor is deceitful! I watched a man at work years ago run a knife right through his hand while trying to cut a rubber hose--he had one drink too many before work. The same man was drinking and driving with a "buddy" of his in a pickup truck. There was an accident. The "buddy" sued his friend and was awarded $19,000 in garnished wages. No one in their right mind would want this to happen! But it happened! Why? because liquor is deceitful. I watched a neighbor years ago smash out the front windows of his house. His wife came out with black and blue marks all over her face. The drunk man stumbled out to the street and drove away. The greedy sin-loving beer companies don't want anyone to see this. By the way, I am sickened by the new "drink responsibly" propaganda. Here's an interesting article I ran across...Gamble, Smoke, Drink and Die --Responsibly, Please! Liquor is "liquid devil." As I've already mentioned, you can't argue with the facts. The statistics are disheartening--16,000 people killed in 2001 by alcohol related deaths. Many of the people who were devastated by the World Trade Tower attacks fail to realize that 500% more people were killed by alcohol last year alone on our roadways. Would to God that liquor were abolished completely. I hate beer and all the such. By the way, God does too! Jesus never made intoxicating wine--it would be a violation of proverb 20:1. Did you know that there are over a dozen different meanings of the word "wine" in the Greek? Sadly, some ministers ignorantly try to justify their drinking of alcohol by exploiting the Bible. Listen to the solemn words of Proverb 31:4, "It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:" Wine dulls the thinking and liquor diminishes the thinking integrity. Is not a believer higher in heaven than an earthly king or a prince? Most definitely, yes! Is not a child of God to have clear thinking? Absolutely! "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" (1 Peter 5:8). If you look for the word "sober" in the New Testament, it appears over and over concerning believers--we are to be sober (alert). The word "sober" means that we are to avoid ANYTHING that dulls our thinking or makes us vulnerable to Satanic attack. No believer has any business drinking alcohol. The Bible warns that the devil has it in for us--Satan wants to make us disappear, he wants to destroy us. Liquor is a very effective tool of the devil. All beer drinkers say the same thing, "you have to drink responsibly!" Oh, then why are there so many tragedies? Why so many lost jobs and beaten families? Why 305,000 alcohol related accidents last year alone? Why 16,000 deaths last year on our roadways because of liquor? Again, the Bible warns us about the DECEITFULNESS of liquor in proverb 20:1. Turn if you will to Proverb 20:17, "Bread of deceit is sweet to a man; but afterwards his mouth shall be filled with gravel." My friend, God is NEVER wrong. Sin is fun, the Bible acknowledges it so. "Bread of deceit is SWEET" according to the Bible. BUT, your mouth will be "filled with gravel" afterwards. Liquor will fill your mouth with gravel. I always think of a joke I heard, "What's the difference between one beer and another?" Answer: about 20 minutes! That's about how I feel about beer. Beer is disgusting, it is trouble, it is better left alone. The element of deceit is too great. No youngster says, "When I grow up I want to be a bum, laying on a park bench in my own vomit." But it happens! Why? Because liquor is deceitful! "You can't take two drinks of beer, if you don't take one."--Pastor Jack Hyles Brother Hyles hit the nail right on the head; We should stay as far away from sin as possible. If sin brings death, then we must avoid sin. If temptation brings sin, then we must avoid temptation, and so forth. If liquor has the power to destroy us (and it surely does), then we should NOT drink it at all. We should avoid alcohol like we would avoid a deadly rattle-snake. If you drink beer, champagne or wine--you are being deceived. The devil is laughing his head off in mockery of all those fools who drink alcohol. The element of deceit is that "everyone thinks they can handle it." Statistics prove that many, many people cannot handle alcohol. This means that there are a great number of people who sincerely think that can handle liquor who are in for a horrible surprise. If you have any sense at all, you will leave alcohol alone. It's a shame that so many believers have been dubbed by the devil. If liquor was sinful during the prohibition years, then it still sinful today. Most people laugh and think it's a big joke when someone speaks out against liquor. This is because they've never lost a loved one to a drunk driver--a father, a mother, a son, a daughter, etc. My uncle died from an alcohol-related death, he crashed into a tree in upper Michigan. I watched my own mother drink herself to sleep night after night, year after year. I watched her puke her guts out in our kitchen sink for years. The smoking and drinking eventually caught up with her though at age 53. She had a crippling stroke and never walked again. She died at 65, after years of misery and suffering. She endured severe health problems: including 2 leg amputations. Though she was a believer, she destroyed her own health. All the more reason I detest cigarettes and liquor. I once saw my father lying on the floor in a pool of wine and broken glass. He fell while drunk and cut his head open, he was rushed to the hospital. Though he usually handled his liquor well, he had always turned to the bottle to solve his problems. Liquor is liquid devil! "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise" (Proverb 20:1). (Message edited by luzisbornagain on July 19, 2007) | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 1959 Registered: 10-2004 |
Luz, Take a look at Deuteronomy 14:
Jeremy |
