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River
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

With all the discussions on soul sleep that goes on here, I am just curious as to what each of you think should be done with the body after death.

That is, burial or cremation?

I would like some feed back on what you think about cremation in particular.

I heard Pat Roberson state on T.V. say that cremation is a heathenish practice and his demeanor appeared that he was distasteful of it.
Many have turned to cremation to lighten the burden on family of the huge expense of Standard funerals. Many who, in their retirement years have not the money to pay out even ahead of time on standard funerals with all the trimmings?

Please, a lot of feedback would be appreciated.
If it has been discussed before you might give me a link.
River
P.S. I am not interested in what other website say, I am interested in how you feel.
Thanks
Freeindeed
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I feel it doesn't make a lick of difference. We live this life in corrupted bodies and when we die they rot. Our 'NEW' bodies will be incorruptible. Whether we rot in the grave or are cremated after we die has no bearing on anything eternal.

My 2 cents.
Mrsbrian3
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ditto for me.
Lucybugg
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's a non-issue for me.
Loneviking
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 10:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Makes no difference to me. I told my wife to cremate me and rototill my ashes into the garden. Can't think of a better place to be than in a garden........
River
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 10:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Heh Heh, I could say something to that Lone, but I won't.
River
Melissa
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I know some people say there is no example of cremation in the bible, but think of some of the heroes of the faith that were burned at the stake...cremated, if you will. There are people who die by being eaten by crocodiles in those countries that have such things. There's nothing to bury there. The standards 'we' apply have to apply in all parts of the world, not just our culture, if we're going to say they're 'biblical'. For that reason, while cremation may be more distatestful to some, their opinions are on cultural norms, not scriptural basis, IMO. Our culture is a capitalist one and if we can justify spending $10k to put a body in the grave, lots of people do it. Personally, do with the body what you will (donate the organs, research, etc), but if it gives my kids peace, spread what's left over my favorite kayaking river.... Otherwise, put your favorite picture of me on your desk or wherever and think of me most that way.

It's purely a personal issue as I think the Bible is silent as to the 'right' thing to do....

Be more concerned what you do to people while they're still using their body and less concerned for what you do after. That's my message to my kids. It really won't 'help' me more one way or the other then! :-)

(Message edited by melissa on July 31, 2007)
Luzisbornagain
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 11:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I truly don't care. I mean cremation is just speading up the process of the body's decomposition process, eventually we all become dust.
Jorgfe
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 12:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Same for me. I would prefer the cheapest solution for myself.

Perhaps I could still help out around the house after I'm dead. Leave my little bag of ashes in its box, and use that to hold a door open, or something. Where my soul goes is what counts. The Bible says that I will get a new body anyway.

Gilbert Jorgensen
River
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 3:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well now there ya go folks add my name to the list of “makes no difference” answers.

People are funny about burials, in the tread *SDA baptismal* we have this quote complements of Gilbert, quote: But angels watch the precious dust of this servant of God, and he will come forth at the sound of the last trump. Early Writings, p. 258"

Now why in the world would God place an Angel to watch a piece of dust, I mean come on, I really don’t know what the Angels are doing, they may be for all I know.

Regardless of Pat Robertson’s cultural druthers I just don’t think he should be making statements like “It’s a heathenistic practice” I just really wanted to write him and call him on it. I think he was indicating that it wasn’t Christian to do that.

Maybe I have slabbed to many bodies and have become hard, but people can get really weird about it.
I can’t think of any scripture where God gives instruction about how to get rid of a corpse. Most bodies are buried with the feet to the east.

While the Bible does talk about people being raised it does not go into detail and what of burial at sea, ya can’t just keep bodies layin around.

Is God going to gather up every molecule of dust? That just doesn’t make sense to me in light of scripture, we are a new creation spiritually, why would he rebuild a body out of dust that is condemned to die and rot away by sin.
So what is acceptable to the family ought to be good enough but I wouldn’t called it heathen to cremate.

By the way thank you for all the responses, you all are a great bunch of people.
River
Larry
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 3:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

When I die...

Every so often a daughter, spouse, or relative will ask me, "When you die, do you want to be cremated or buried?"

At first I would say "I don't care." Or "I'll be dead, it won't matter to me." Or I'd start a rant about death-phobic Americans, and funerals being for the living and not for the dead one, and the Mexicans know how it's done; going down to the sepulchre on Dias de los Muertos to party with the deceased while at the same time being forced to contemplate their own mortality.

But that didn't stop the question.

Hmmmmmm. Only two choices, eh?

Heh.

At first I made a habit of requesting an "Open Casket Cremation." But then I happened across a Japanese article where such things are already done! (The furnace chamber has a wall of high-temp glass, so the family can retire to the viewing room to satisfy their curiousity.)

Since that one isn't new, I decided to take inspiration from the Exploding Whale. When I die, I want to be taken out to a distant field and placed on a bier of twenty pounds of plastique explosive. The mourners form a circle around the body (make that a hundred feet in diameter) and the grieving widow or surviving children get to push the plunger. The dry-cleaning bill might be large, but for years afterwards the grass will grow a bit greener in that spot.

But *still* I'm being asked that question. "No, seriously, do you want to be buried or cremated?"

The "exploding whale" joke got old. But I like the idea of fertilizing crops. And I heard about a service which dumps human ashes out of a light plane above the countryside. Lets combine the two!

When I die, I wanna be frozen with liquid nitrogen. Then put me head-first into a gigantic pencil-sharpener. Turn me around until I come to a point. Add some fleching to my feet, then drop me from a plane over the farmlands. THUNKK! World's largest fertilizer spike! And this will create a Memorial Green Spot somewhere out in the landscape. I hope this doesn't become popular. Think of kids out there hearing the sound of the daily airplane, running out to see, then tracking down another little hole with a pair of shoe soles visible at the bottom.
Laurie
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 3:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I want to be cremated, and I don't want the ashes buried in a cemetary. I don't really care if anyone pickes them up from the funeral home. I have expressed my wishes many times to my family. My husband doesn't care. My mom insists that if she is alive when I die, she will not let anyone cremate me. She is SDA.

Laurie
Stevendi
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 4:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Put my ashes in a time bottle and launch it. I always wanted to go on a loooong cruise. Oh, and put a note in there that the rest of me is "up there", but don't call...I'll see you when you get here.

steve
Colleentinker
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 4:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I want the cheapest solution. After all, I now know that I will be with the Lord when I die. What happens to the body is not important to me; I know that God is not limited by the dispoal method when it's time for the resurrection!

Love your garden idea, Loneviking...!

Colleen
Philharris
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 6:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am all for the simplest and cheapest solution. To me, cremation seems to be the answer. This is not an issue that invloves a Biblical doctrine. Besides, ashes are cheap to mail. My mother died in Mississippi and my sister simply mailed her to the St Helena Cemetery in California. I plan on having my family do the same with my remains.

Phil
Flyinglady
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In my will I have written that I want to be cremated. Then take my ashes and throw them into the water at a lake or beach. I do not want lots of money spent on me when I die. If you are going to do that, spend it on me now when I can enjoy it.
After all I will be with the Lord when I day and when He returns, I will get a new body.
God you are awesome.
Diana
Larry
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Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 9:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If they won't make me into a human-fertilizer-dart, maybe they can do this:

An artist once placed hunks of meat in sealed transparent boxes and placed them in a gallery for several weeks. That's it. A transparent grave marker. Educational! When I die, I want to be dipped in polyester resin (the same as those paperweight kits which were popular years ago.) Stick me out in a cemetary. Over weeks the me-shaped bubble will turn various colors. But it probably will turn opaque fairly quickly, so that's not as interesting.

(Message edited by larry on July 31, 2007)
Bigal
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Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 5:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm in the cremation camp. If I go first my wife will SCUBA dive me to a beautiful reef and release me there. The Garden is my second choice.

Alan

PS: Wife is watching me type this and she commented "I dont want to eat vegetables fertilized by you"
River
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Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 6:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alan,
I still have my open water card so at least I can get air, I did sell all my gear, I did have my own tanks and stuff, but I can still dive if its not too strenuous, so if you plan on going right away, she can ship you ashes out here and I would be happy to dump them in Pudget Sound, No reafs but I know a big rock I could tuck you under, its a good crab hole too so you would have lots of company.
River
Colleentinker
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Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 - 7:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ha!

Colleen

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