| Author | Message | ||
| Cortney Registered user Username: Cortney Post Number: 15 Registered: 8-2006 |
Are we striving with all are God-given powers to reach the measure of the stature of men and women in Christ? Are we seeking for his fullness,ever reaching higher and higher,trying to attain to the perfection of character? When God's servants reach this point,they will be sealed in their foreheads. The recording angel will declare,"It is done." They will be complete in Him whose they are by creation and by redemption.-3SM 427 Doesn't this prove that SDA's believe perfection and works equal salvation? There is no mention of Christ and the Holy Spirit being our seal. I find this very sad and depressing for any SDA who believes this. | ||
| Treasurehntr Registered user Username: Treasurehntr Post Number: 31 Registered: 7-2007 |
You are so right. In Adventism, Salvation is a do over. Sin is forgiven up to the Salvation event. In Christianity, Salvation is a done forever. | ||
| Sara Registered user Username: Sara Post Number: 39 Registered: 5-2007 |
wow Courtney, what is the full reference for that quote. I dont recognize all the EGW acronyms anymore, praise God! That is a perfect quote for someone I am talking too. Thank you. | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 1003 Registered: 8-2004  |
I believe that would be Selected Messages, Volume Three, pg 427 | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 107 Registered: 4-2007 |
"Are we striving with all are God-given powers to reach the measure of the stature of men and women in Christ? Are we seeking for his fullness,ever reaching higher and higher,trying to attain to the perfection of character? When God's servants reach this point,they will be sealed in their foreheads. The recording angel will declare,"It is done." They will be complete in Him whose they are by creation and by redemption.-3SM 427 " http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates$fn=default.htm$vid=default Are we striving with all our power to attain to the stature of men and women in Christ? Are we seeking for His fullness, ever pressing toward the mark set before us--the perfection of His character? When the Lord's people reach this mark, they will be sealed in their foreheads. Filled with the Spirit, they will be complete in Christ, and the recording angel will declare, "It is finished." {AG 216.5} Could not find the statement in SM I used "the stature of men and women in Christ" as a search text - this is the closest match out of 17 listed | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 530 Registered: 5-2007 |
Where's the Gospel? That's the first thought I had when I read this stuff. | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 81 Registered: 5-2007 |
That same idea is found in 3 other locations. Just search for the string "servants reach this point, they will be sealed in their" without the quote marks: http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/nxt/gateway.dll/egw-comp/section00000.htm/book04671.htm/chapter04731.htm http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/nxt/gateway.dll/egw-comp/section00000.htm/book02425.htm/chapter02442.htm http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/nxt/gateway.dll/egw-comp/section07552.htm/period08634/article10523.htm According to this heresy, sealing only comes after character is perfected. What rubbish. | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 132 Registered: 7-2007 |
Here's something that Ellen White says in her book "Early Writings" in the chapter "Mark of the Beast." This statement completely undermines a person's assurance of salvation, completely undermines 2nd Corinthians 5:5 and Ephesians 1:14 which says that the Holy Spirit is the guarantee of our inheritance. It also undermines Ephesians 2:8,9 (and 2nd Timothy 1:9 and also Titus 3:5) which says that we "have been saved." Anyway Ellen White says here: "Said the angel, 'Get ready, get ready, get ready. Ye will have to die a greater death to the world than ye have ever yet died.'" This causes a person to worry about their salvation and puts their attention squarely on themselves. Dianne | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 2031 Registered: 10-2004  |
Well, Dianne, as Paul says: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!" (Galatians 1:8 NIV.) That angel was definitely a FALLEN angel and will be eternally condemned. Jeremy | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 85 Registered: 5-2007 |
Here are six more times egw uses that perfection of character before being sealed notion. Do a page search for the words "recording angel will declare" without the quote marks: http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/nxt/gateway.dll/egw-comp/section00000.htm/book01518.htm/chapter01727.htm http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/nxt/gateway.dll/egw-comp/section00000.htm/book02057.htm/chapter02387.htm http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/nxt/gateway.dll/egw-comp/section00000.htm/book03340.htm/chapter03485.htm http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/nxt/gateway.dll/egw-comp/section07552.htm/period08634/article09829.htm http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/nxt/gateway.dll/egw-comp/section07552.htm/period11879.htm/article11887.htm http://egwdatabase.whiteestate.org/nxt/gateway.dll/egw-comp/section00000.htm/book04774.htm/chapter04780.htm | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 971 Registered: 10-2002  |
You know, Jeremy, that is suddenly a VERY comforting thought! I think I nearly have tears in my eyes! That sick, sick spirit that deceived the early Adventists is condemned. That sick, sick spirit that deceived generation after generation and so many of us and our loved ones -- it has its sentence already written for it and its eternal home in the lake of fire. The battle has been won, the verdict has been written, and greater is He who lives and who lives in us than the spirit in Adventism. God is awesome. | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 2035 Registered: 10-2004 |
Amen, Ramone! Praise be to our all-powerful Lord, Jesus Christ! Jeremy | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6553 Registered: 12-2003  |
Ramone, as I read your summary analysis of Jeremy's statement, I got tears in my eyes, too. I am finding that KNOWING our God is eternally just is a great comfort. If His justice were not eternal, we could not be certain of His grace and mercy, either. Praise God for His justice and for His mercy! Colleen | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1213 Registered: 4-2000  |
Just to be sure that his readers fully understand what is at stake, Paul mentioned the "curse" or "anathema" again in Galatians 1:9. Truly, heresy and/or perversion of the Gospel is a big deal to God. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6559 Registered: 12-2003 |
Thank you, Dennis. You are absolutely right. Colleen |
