| Author | Message | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 621 Registered: 11-2005 |
Who says that promoting Ellen White, like never before, is not the central focus the the Seventh-day Adventist Church? http://www.whiteestate.org/ (upper right corner of web page.) Based on the above statement it would appear that the "Adventist Jesus" must be Ellen White! This has nothing to do with "Connecting With Jesus". It is about "Connecting With Ellen White", pure and simple! Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 605 Registered: 5-2007 |
It's all Ellen, all the time! | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 1025 Registered: 8-2004  |
I think it would be more accurate to say the Adventist Jesus is the one Ellen White portrays rather than that Ellen is the Adventist Jesus. The other statement reads more like hyperbole. | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 624 Registered: 11-2005 |
Helovesme2, they keep saying that they are leading people to Jesus, but instead it is always Ellen White they lead everyone to. This robust official promotion is a perfect example of that. Wouldn't you agree?  Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 607 Registered: 5-2007 |
What I find especially disturbing is they are going to have a Sabbath dedicated to Ellen in October. If my wife is off duty that Sabbath I am going to REFUSE to attend SDA church with her. I am already marking my calendar that I will be at SDB church that Sabbath for sure! | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 625 Registered: 11-2005 |
Reb, when will they have a Sabbath dedicated to the real Jesus? Easter comes to mind, but they don't observe that either. Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Helovesme2 Registered user Username: Helovesme2 Post Number: 1027 Registered: 8-2004 |
I agree that they are leading people to her. The fact that it is ostensibly so that people can have a better relationship with Jesus is what makes it so deceptive. | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 609 Registered: 5-2007 |
Ellen White actually DISTRACTS people from Jesus! The fact alone that many Adventists seem to place the Sabbath above Jesus is telling in and of itself. One of the things I got sick and tired of in SDA church was hearing Sabbath, Sabbath, Sunday Laws, Ellen White and very little, if any, about Jesus. | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 106 Registered: 5-2007 |
The sda organism would be sick to its stomach if it knew what they were really doing... | ||
| Cortney Registered user Username: Cortney Post Number: 30 Registered: 8-2006 |
Not only do they lead people to the EGW Jesus they also lead people into the Adventist lifestyle-sabbatarianism,vegetarianism,dress reform,closeminded view of the bible[IJ,Sanctuary Doctrine,OT law keeping],and EGW herself.They lead them away from Jesus and the true purpose of the Gospel.-Courtney | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 628 Registered: 11-2005 |
It is extremely telling that they have not even entered into any scholarly dialog with a single mainstream non-Adventist denomination to "show" them the "Biblical validity" of the 1844/Investigative Judgment "core doctrine" -- the "foundation doctrine" of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. That in itself is beyond comprehension! They say they have a "special message" that God has given to them alone for a dying world. And they refuse to make any serious attempt at all to explore it with even another single denomination! They make a mockery of their own statements. I am at a loss for words. And as for being the Remnant Church -- every woman knows what a "remnant" of cloth is. It is what is left over on the bolt of cloth that it came from. It has the exact same dye, weave and fabric as the rest of the bolt. What "bolt" did the Seventh-day Adventist Church come off of? Anyone who wants to "soft-pedal" what Adventism is promoting needs to give serious thought to the boldness with which Paul spoke. He didn't mince words, did he?
Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6616 Registered: 12-2003  |
Yes, Gilbert--this program is the one we saw/heard launched at the 2005 GC session. We watched it on the internet. They stated that the new converts to Adventism around the world will not really look like Adventists if they don't get access to Ellen. Richard and I commented to each other that without Ellen, those SDA converts might rely on the Bible and end up looking more and more like regular Christians. Make no mistake; the church is actively promoting Ellen White. What we see in this country is not exactly the same as in the third world, for example--or in formerly communist Europe or South America. They are promoting her here as well--but there is more local variation within Adventist communities here, so the ways Ellen is discussed varies. But she is being taught to the members, and her stories and those of the SDA pioneers pepper the elementary Bible curriculae materials. Just think about the fact they now sell a Clear Word for kids... Colleen | ||
| Reb Registered user Username: Reb Post Number: 614 Registered: 5-2007 |
One place may be different though; seems like what I've heard about Australia is Ellen isn't being promoted there like she is in the Third World or the US. Haven't been there but I have read things posted by Australian Adventists on CARM that seem to indicate they don't teach Ellen there like they do here in the States or in the Third World. | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1225 Registered: 4-2000  |
THE WILTING SDA MONEY TREE With the continual decline of the SDA tithe base, in terms of current buying power in recent years, it is obvious that they are nothing less than desperate at this point. The General Conference does not have reserve funds for retirement benefits like business corporations are meticulously required to maintain for their employees. Religious organizations are exempt from the law in this regard. In the Adventist case, these funds must come from current tithe income due to lack of better planning. They have already disowned all their literature evangelists, in the North American Division, as full-fledged employees (now merely classified as "independent distributors" without any tithe subsidy, medical assistance, nor any tax shelters). Also, it has been reported that the younger generation of Adventists are not as liberal in their giving as the previous generation was. Moreover, they are less obedient to hierarchical decrees and appeals. Many younger Adventists are now directly supporting their favorite mission enterprises or personally going on short-term mission trips--thereby often bypassing the denominational system entirely. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Susans Registered user Username: Susans Post Number: 432 Registered: 8-2006 |
They sure don't mind spending some of that dwindling money on suing people, though, do they? Money that could be paid into a pension fund instead goes to attorneys for "trademark violations" or bailing out unscrupulous and many times illegal actions of their "top executives". Susan | ||
| Jorgfe Registered user Username: Jorgfe Post Number: 632 Registered: 11-2005 |
Dennis, also I know first hand that when the upper crust of the General Conference travels they insist on accomodations worthy of their stature instead of staying at the mission compounds that they are reporting on. Although I could name specific names I don't want to endanger this forum in any way. Gilbert Jorgensen | ||
| Dennis Registered user Username: Dennis Post Number: 1228 Registered: 4-2000 |
Gilbert, Interestingly, you and I know first hand how the big boys live and travel. This reminds me of how Ellen White set the pace in traveling first class on a ship to Australia. I must confess that I enjoyed many perks in SDA leadership as well--even a paid trip to the Bahamas. I have stayed in luxury oceanfront hotels, with my wife and first child, in Miami Beach, Daytona Beach, Jacksonville, and Fort Lauderdale for several days at a time repeatedly (all paid by SDA tithe money). My conservative SDA relatives up in North Dakota were somewhat jealous and/or concerned about my frequent luxurious excursions. Oh yes, the funniest thing was when a bunch of us departmental and administrative guys (all vegetarians at the time) went deep sea fishing for a day in the Atlantic Ocean. We all donated our catch to fellow fishermen at the end of our day. By the way, I was the first one on the fishing vessel to catch a fish. Since my name was "Fischer" (the German kind) that added a bit to the fun of the day. And yes, since EGW was no longer around, we even drank some Colas to help us avoid seasickness (smile). We definitely knew how to party! We were also aware that the Union and local Conference officials would sometimes have meetings on pricey island resorts. Dennis Fischer | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 111 Registered: 5-2007 |
I was looking for a synonym for the word 'heretic' and ran into this interesting little thing. Almost fits the needs of this thread! Synonym: heretic, Schismatic, Sectarian. a heretic is one whose errors are doctrinal, and usually of a malignant character, tending to subvert the true faith. a schismatic is one who creates a schism, or division in the church, on points of faith, discipline, practice, etc, usually for the sake of personal aggrandizement. a sectarian is one who originates or is an ardent adherent and advocate of a sect, or distinct organization, which separates from the main body of believers. http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Heretics adventism has all three characters, each one not being the main focal point. | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 6630 Registered: 12-2003 |
Very interesting, Larry. Thanks for the definitions. Colleen | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 114 Registered: 5-2007 |
Colleen, Thanks, but now I see it's an "oops". I meant to post that in the "Dramatic Prophecies of Ellen White" thread where there was talk of egw's $500 photographs, expensive boat trips and "every convenience". More fitting! What the heck, it fits in this thread too! |
