| Author | Message | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 8917 Registered: 12-2003  |
Ok, all--a friend of mine sent this link to me. I forget sometimes how overtly Arian and heretical the Great Controversy actually is--not just implied but outright stated. Further, notice how similar to Mormonism this is...Jesus being the highest angel in heaven and then exalted to his position, Satan being jealous...Jesus was never an angel, and Satan never thought he could become what Jesus was. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCDfSwPVdqY&feature=related Colleen | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 3726 Registered: 9-2006  |
Retch!!!! | ||
| Jonvil Registered user Username: Jonvil Post Number: 206 Registered: 4-2007 |
Sorry, I could only take two minutes of this drivel with it's underlying premise that Satan is equal to Jesus (Jesus is not God!!) and that God sort of just chose one over the other to bestow honor upon. ‘Sometimes’ I feel that I should have stayed to be a witness for truth, I certainly would have had the platform as SS teacher and Head Elder but that youtube video reminded me of all the reasons why I couldn’t, my own sanity and spiritual wellbeing, perhaps a bit selfish but the alternative is not viable, this 'theology' is so horrible as to defy description and I can't believe that I was part of this for 36 years. What a travesty, what a cult. Just a few days ago my wife and I were discussing Ellen's 'Great Controversy'. While my wife fully accepts Christ's divinity she had never really thought through the ramifications of the GC. The simple question of 'how could any created being pose a threat to omnipotent, omniscient God unless God (Jesus) is not God?’ Pretty much left it there, given enough erosion to the base of the idol (EGW) I figure eventually it will topple. John Douglas | ||
| Surfy Registered user Username: Surfy Post Number: 404 Registered: 11-2007 |
That is ripe. The visual imagery looked like something out of Monty Python. Surfy | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 5904 Registered: 3-2004  |
I just clicked on to the You Tube GC reading. YUCK!!! I only heard the first 2 sentences and clicked off. How can anyone believe Satan was equal with Jesus is beyond me??? Thank you awesome God for taking me out of that mess. Diana L | ||
| Gcfrankie Registered user Username: Gcfrankie Post Number: 227 Registered: 1-2007 |
I am on dial-up and it takes forever to load u-tube. I have tried loading it up all the way and they replaying it but it still breaks up so I no longer even try to click onto it so I did not watch it. The church is sure out their with their scare tactics. I live in a very dominated sda area (Walla Walla) and they are sure running around like chickens with their heads cut off leaving literature all over the place. When ever I find any of it laying around in a public place I pitch it. Just to think I used to do that make me sick and my heart weep. Isn't it too bad we can not get them off of u-tube as that is where a lot of kids (teen-agers) go searching. Diana, the ones who believe their dribble are those who have never been raised in a church, read a bible, or heard anything and so that makes them ripe for the picking by sda, jw's, and mormons. This great big push of theirs reminds me of the late 60's, early 70's when the big religious push was on and all the cults came out of the wood work and new ones cropped up (but didn't last). All we can do is pray about this to our awesome God and let Him handle it as He knows best. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 5905 Registered: 3-2004 |
Yes, Gc, God is still in charge. He knows what is happening. There is an SDA church here in Vegas on Pecos that is having the the Mark Finley Discovery 08 or something like that. I have not seen it in the newspapers. I researched it on their website to see what was in Las Vegas. I just continue to pray for all SDAs and those exposed to them. God is in charge. He is always awesome. Diana L | ||
| Daisie_girl Registered user Username: Daisie_girl Post Number: 34 Registered: 9-2008 |
I wish that video didn't make me angry, but it does. There is no Scripture quoted in that video - only that woman's writing . . . grrrrrrrrrr!! I need to take a step outside! | ||
| Daisie_girl Registered user Username: Daisie_girl Post Number: 35 Registered: 9-2008 |
Could I ask, Colleen, did your friend say why she sent the video to you? | ||
| ~angel~ Registered user Username: ~angel~ Post Number: 382 Registered: 3-2008  |
This is just evil! How can anyone believe this load of poo! I am so upset about EGW all together! And no scriptual backing either. I smell something funny again.... and its not River either ! LOL | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 8920 Registered: 12-2003 |
Oh, my friend is actually a member of this forum, and she's as horrified by the video as I am. She was doing some searches and came across it. Colleen | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 3728 Registered: 9-2006 |
You mean to tell me you got friends on this forum? Hope is not lost then, perhaps eventually I will have some too!!  Oh say can you see any bedbugs on me.... If you doooooo, pick a few.... And then you'll have some tooo.. Sung to the tune of star spangled banner. River | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 3729 Registered: 9-2006 |
I am happy I am happy I am happy in my soul.... I am happy I am happy, since Jesus made me whole... I am happy I am happy I have joy within... Because he saved me and forgave me I have peace within.... Ol le ollade yo, ol le oledi yooo ye olladys toooooo..... River | ||
| River Registered user Username: River Post Number: 3730 Registered: 9-2006 |
Sorry.  | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 2507 Registered: 10-2004  |
I don't know how you guys were able to get through two minutes or even two sentences of that--I couldn't even get to the opening sentence (after the chapter title introduction)!! It's just too spooky. The pictures, the voiceover, the creepy music and sounds... yikes! Colleen, the reason you don't remember The Great Controversy making such outright extreme statements is because it doesn't. Notice that the Youtube clip says it's from (what some historic Adventists call) the "1858 Great Controversy"--which is actually entitled Spiritual Gifts, Volume 1. In later editions, such as the 1884, 1888, and 1911 editions of The Great Controversy, they edited more and more of her most outright heretical statements out of the text. In fact, EGW herself said that the 1911 changes were done in order to try to make people think that "the Lord" had inspired her in writing the book! Since the early days, they've tried to hide some of her most outright heretical and extreme statements and actions, so that people won't know who she really is. (I could make a nice political analogy here, but I'll refrain!  ) Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on October 20, 2008) | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 8921 Registered: 12-2003 |
Oh, Jeremy--thank you. She did write all that stuff...but it doesn't show up in TGC. I know I've read these statements, but I don't have the books anymore, and I never can remember which book these things are in. Thank you so much, Jeremy. Colleen | ||
| Agapetos Registered user Username: Agapetos Post Number: 1620 Registered: 10-2002  |
My former mission director was a peddler of the 1858 original. The title in SG1 calls it something like, "The Great Controversy Between Christ and His Angels and Satan and His Angels". He believed that the purity of EGW's writings was compromised after James White died (in 1882?) and Uriah Smith took over the publishing. | ||
| 8thday Registered user Username: 8thday Post Number: 515 Registered: 11-2007  |
thankfully, my connection wouldn't load it all the way, but you're right Surfy. I think the animator was from monty python and the soundtrack taken from the original bambi movie. I'm glad it's on there in that format because that's enough to scare anyone away!! (I would hope!) It sounds so ridiculous out loud. People just need to read their Bibles, that's all there is to it. Glad we finally did. | ||
| Justdodie Registered user Username: Justdodie Post Number: 88 Registered: 2-2006  |
Can someone tell me, or direct me to information which would explain briefly where other Christians stand compared to this video? I listened to it, and it sounded vaguely familiar to me, but of course, I have been out of the SDA church for many, many years. Still, I've always wondered, what do other Christians believe in regard to Satan, his origin, the origin of sin, the so-called 'war in heaven' etc? Perhaps you could direct me to passages in the Bible that refer to this. I don't think there are many, are there? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 9008 Registered: 12-2003 |
Hi, Dodie! Good to see you! Isaiah 14:12-13 are the main verses that tell about Satan's aspirations and rebellion. This passage also applies to a king of Babylon. Very little is actually said about the origin of sin. More is said about Satan's domination of the sinful world and Jesus' breaking his power (Ephesians 2:14-15, Colossians 2:14-15, etc.). What is NEVER suggested in the Bible is that Jesus was exalted to "God-hood", or that He and Satan are in any sort of ongoing battle or struggle. Jesus is God Satan is an angel. One is Creator; one is creature. Colleen | ||
| Justdodie Registered user Username: Justdodie Post Number: 89 Registered: 2-2006 |
I went back and listened again to the video. So, is it saying (and do SDAs teach) that Jesus was originally on a level with Satan/Lucifer? And would other Christians say that actually, no, Jesus was always God, even though the 'son of God'. This whole three-in-one thing was always very perplexing to me anyway, with there being the three-part nature of God. Jesus was supposed to be God, but yet the son of God. Do you think there was ever a time when Jesus DIDN'T exist, a time when God didn't have a son? I guess this is one aspect of EGW that I never absorbed. Truthfully, there was a lot of it I didn't absorb. I just kind of followed the rules and went along. At least I am able to listen to stuff like that now without getting upset. I guess I've come a long way since I last posted on this forum several years ago. It's more just idle curiosity now that motivates me to learn more about my 'heritage'. | ||
| Doc Registered user Username: Doc Post Number: 333 Registered: 2-2003  |
Well, I am not from the same background as most of you, and maybe I am not feeling spiritual today, but I just thought this clip was hilarious. Those cheesy graphics and that dorky music, it certainly is exactly like Monty Python. I expected John Cleese to stick his head in and say, "now for something completely different." It was only when I stopped laughing and listened again that I spotted that the theology is also on about the same level. Actually, the Great Controversy is the only EGW book I have read, and that gave me a few laughs too, especially the second half from the Millerite movement onwards. I must have a weird sense of humour. I can't really see this video doing much harm out there, except perhaps to SDAs. | ||
| Doc Registered user Username: Doc Post Number: 334 Registered: 2-2003 |
Justdodie, Hi, don't know if we've met. As no-one has answered yet... The idea that there was a time when Jesus did not exist was taught by Arius, a presbiter from Alexandria, in the fourth century. This is what led to the whole Arian controversy and the Council of Nicea, 325, which discussed the issue. Mainstream Christianity rejected this and taught, and teaches, that Jesus is God and has always existed. The heresy has arisen since, and Jehovah's Witnesses now blatantly teach that there was a time when Jesus did not exist. I know, I am being pestered by one at the moment. (SDAs are leaving me alone right now, so I get JWs instead. Still, keeps me on my toes.) They teach he is Jehovah's first creation, which is the same as what Arius taught. Biblical passages to show that Jesus has always existed would include: John 1: 1-2 - in the beginning, alusion to Genesis 1: 1. John 8: 58 - I AM, alusion to the name of God Exodus 3: 14 Micah 5: 2, prophecy of the birth of Christ referred to in Matthew 2: 5-6 - the child to be born is from "days of eternity" according to the Hebrew, compare almost the same expression referring to God in Psalm 93:2 Rev 22: 13 - Jesus says here that he is the first and the last, so that means there was no-one or nothing before him. God says the same in Isaiah 44: 6. Jesus is eternal, Jesus is God. I am sure there are other verses, these spring to mind right now. God bless, Adrian | ||
| Snowboardingmom Registered user Username: Snowboardingmom Post Number: 508 Registered: 11-2005 |
It's really good to see you again, Justdodie!! Grace | ||
| Justdodie Registered user Username: Justdodie Post Number: 90 Registered: 2-2006 |
Hi, Doc No, we may not have met. I haven't been on here for a couple of years. I have to confess that, like you,I'm a person with a weird sense of humor too! I laughed all the way through the video a couple of times. That's probably why I had difficulty understanding exactly what they were saying. I get glassy-eyed with all the theology and nit-picking over so-called 'truths'--no doubt a residual from my years growing up SDA where so many little details mattered sooooo much. So now, I just get impatient with any group who insists that THEIRS is the 'real' truth. I just logged on to see if there was anything interesting... and I found it! And to see who's still hanging around... I see quite a few familiar names. Hello to everyone, old and new. | ||
| Lrcrabtree Registered user Username: Lrcrabtree Post Number: 67 Registered: 1-2007  |
So, is there any Biblical basis for EGW's assertion that Satan repented and asked to be reinstated to heaven? | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 9020 Registered: 12-2003 |
Uh...no! Colleen | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 702 Registered: 5-2007 |
Colleen denied any true basis. I say there was a basis, however not Biblical: the devil was whispering in her ear. Mr. Crabtree, ellen even tell us he artfully represented to God the complaints in heaven as coming from other angels, not himself. She is saying that satan was able to fool God. ellen white says all kinds of things that bolster satans case. 53 times she penned the phrase "his satanic majesty" and one of those times all first letters were capitalized. Look the phrase up on the white estate search engine. Every single one of them are there. Can any sda imagine this being from God??? God would never say any such thing. It is all subtle satanic glorification, that's what it is. Excuse me while I go dry heave. | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 706 Registered: 5-2007 |
Adding to my post number 702 above, here is the direct link to that particular phrase as searched on the whiteestate. LINK Notice result #13. It just had to be 13 didn't it? Isn't that some occult number? |
