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Asurprise
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Username: Asurprise
Post Number: 539
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 16, 2008 - 6:20 pm: |     |
I don't know what Charles Finney might have written BEFORE his conversion to Christ; but I read his autobiography on line. Here's a quote.
quote: "Just at this point the whole question of Gospel salvation opened to my mind in a manner most marvelous to me at the time. I think I then saw, as clearly as I ever have in my life, the reality and fullness of the atonement of Christ. I saw that His work was a finished work; and that instead of having, or needing, any righteousness of my own to recommend me to God, I had to submit myself to the righteousness of God through Christ. Gospel salvation seemed to me to be an offer of something to be accepted; and that it was full and complete; and that all that was necessary on my part, was to get my own consent to give up my sins, and accept Christ. Salvation, it seemed to me, instead of being a thing to be wrought out, by my own works, was a thing to be found entirely in the Lord Jesus Christ, who presented Himself before me as my God and my Savior." |
Mommyk
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Username: Mommyk
Post Number: 210
Registered: 4-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 16, 2008 - 7:59 pm: | |
Here is some info on Free Masonry from gotquestions.org if anyone is interested:
http://www.gotquestions.org/free-masonry.html
~Kristen |
Asurprise
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Username: Asurprise
Post Number: 540
Registered: 7-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 16, 2008 - 9:47 pm: | |
Here's a quote from Dwight L. Moody:
Dwight L. Moody said, "I do not see how any Christian, most of all a Christian minister, can go into these secret lodges with unbelievers. They say they can have more influence for good: but I say they can have more influence for good by staying out of them, and reproving their evil deeds. Abraham had more influence for good in Sodom than Lot had."
For this, D. L. Moody was challenged, "If you talk this way, you will drive all the members of secret societies out of your meetings and out of our churches."
To this the bold pastor proclaimed, "But what if I did? Better men will take their places. Give them the truth anyway, and if they would rather leave their churches than their lodges, the sooner they get out of the churches, the better. I would rather have ten members who are separated from the world than a thousand such members. Better one with God than a thousand without Him." |
Akweavers
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Username: Akweavers
Post Number: 63
Registered: 8-2008
| | Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 1:40 am: | |
I don't have much to say on the mason subject but I'll tell you what I saw in one of their temples. I used to work for a SDA conference evangelist doing prophecy seminars. We were having the meetings in a very fancy mason's temple. The guy that was in charge of letting us in told us, "You can go anywhere in here except upstairs". Well, guess where I headed as soon as he left? I saw lots of fancy rooms that looked like high level board rooms. Then I found a door that led onto a stage. It was scary, musta been a rites area. There was a goats head on a wheel..one that when rolled, the head stayed on top. There was a trap door in the floor and out of it popped a red horned devil. That was enough for me. I got out as fast as I could. I figured goats and devil heads can't be good. |
Bskillet
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Username: Bskillet
Post Number: 3
Registered: 8-2008
| | Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 6:03 am: | |
"There can be no justification in a legal or forensic sense, but upon the ground of universal, perfect, and uninterrupted obedience to law."
Wow! That sounds familiar. Didn't "the prophetess" say something to the effect that Christ's righteousness is imputed only to the obedient?
What hope does that leave any of us, honestly? |
Esther
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Username: Esther
Post Number: 450
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 11:33 am: | |
This is slightly off the conversation track, but fits with the original thread:
I made a comment about a post on a friends facebook account. It was just a generic, really good article on Genesis and God making everything from nothing...in response this morning, this was posted by someone else:
quote:I have been studying with some Mormons and I am so glad that God has given us the Bible with its wondrous truth. They are so deceived because they believe the book of Mormon is the "book." I am reading the Bible and the Conflict of the Ages this year. What an awesome experience. God is so good to give us the pure word and the spirit of prophecy. The way this world is headed, we need to know what we believe.
sigh...I don't feel like I can say anything, cause this isn't really a conversation that includes me, nor is it on a personal friends site. I'm half tempted to quote it, and do a note on it on my own page...but will mull it over for a bit. It's amazing though that they will look directly at the mormons who use extrabiblical...and then be thankful for their own extrabiblical. |
Larry
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Username: Larry
Post Number: 653
Registered: 5-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 1:35 pm: | |
Esther, it is incredible just how thorough the deception is. Utter and complete. We can all testify to that. |
Freeatlast
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Username: Freeatlast
Post Number: 589
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 3:30 pm: | |
Esther, it might as well have said:
"I am a pot and I am so glad that I am not like those black kettles."
sad Sad SAD
(Message edited by freeatlast on November 17, 2008) |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 8995
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 - 10:58 am: | |
Oh, Esther--that quote totally sums up the ENTIRE Adventist experience. It includes the incredible blindness that doesn't even recognize the contradiction the writer employs: Mormons have the Book of Mormon; WE have the Bible (and the true spirit of prophecy)...
It also includes the unacknowledged arrogance, the deep blindness to reality, the unbiblical foundation--that quote totally says it all.
It is a miracle when God reveals the truth of Adventism to any of us who were or are caught in it. It is a complete, amazing miracle of God's power and grace.
Colleen |
Freeatlast
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Username: Freeatlast
Post Number: 590
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 - 12:37 pm: | |
Remember the original temptation in the garden?
"...then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." Genesis 3:5
We were deceived just as Eve was. There is something organically ingrained in us (sin?) that makes us seek to be as gods and to have "special" knowledge. Adventism is just one of a multitude of such products that Satan markets to fallen humanity.
Simply trusting God to keep His promises is antithetical to being a human being. It is only by being reborn from Above that we can even begin to trust and not fall for the original lie. |
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