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| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 2521 Registered: 10-2004  |
Colleen, I think it started happening when Daylight Saving Time ended last Sunday. (Some posts are stamped an hour ahead, still, maybe? Although, I think some have been more than an hour ahead.) Also, I've noticed that some of the posts haven't been showing up under the "Search Results" (such as when clicking on "Last Day"). If I remember correctly, I think we had that problem once before. Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on November 15, 2008) | ||
| Indy4now Registered user Username: Indy4now Post Number: 302 Registered: 2-2008 |
I too had a hard time finding a new home church. I visited as many non-denominational churches I could find. I did visit a few denominational ones... even though I was very leery and scared of even belonging to another "religion." One of the churches I visited was a Nazarene church. My son had a few friends that worshipped there. I went to one of their Sunday school classes to observe. As they started their lesson, I saw that they all studied from a "quarterly" type study book. It gave me the eebie jeebies. My son enjoyed it there... but I told him that that church wouldn't work out for our family. Just having those study guides reminded me too much of what I had left. We have since found a great non-denominational church... it's a little far, but worth the drive. Like Colleen said, even though I haven't worked out all those things like the rapture or hell... it's just wonderful to study the Bible, chapter by chapter... book by book. ~vivian | ||
| Bb Registered user Username: Bb Post Number: 292 Registered: 7-2004 |
Larry, those quotes from Voltaire are amazingly true of Wm. Miller!! I read his biography and, bless his heart, he was a perfect fit for the fanactic description! Also, John, the ADVENTIST ANSWER sounds strangely similar to a Clinton quote back when he said it depends on what the definition of "is" is.  Back on the cradle roll thing, I enjoyed it so much I decided to teach it after my kids outgrew the class (I really just wanted to escape the weird EGW laden SS classes!) I remember being SO happy to work in the children's dept. especially during the "evangelistic seminars". Now I would rather let my kids go to their departments and learn, learn, learn the Bible!!! It's awesome to enjoy church and Sunday school! | ||
| Bb Registered user Username: Bb Post Number: 293 Registered: 7-2004 |
oops, editing.....fanatic, not fanactic | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 626 Registered: 5-2007 |
Bb, How many times have you heard that Wm. Miller repented? I have read his letter of "repentance" and it has some large irregularities in it. When read, it sounds just like the twisted apologetics that we get from current-day sda's. No big suprise, really, as the same spirit was working through him as the adventist movement. You want the link to it? http://www.corvalliscommunitypages.com/Americas/US/USNotOregon/adventistsleft.htm | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 628 Registered: 5-2007 |
Voltairs first statement on fanaticism, written in 1764 reads like this:
Now here are some passages from Millers actual letter that fit like hand in glove: "I tried to excuse myself to the Lord for not going out and proclaiming it to the world. I told the Lord that I was not used to public speaking, that I had not the necessary qualifications to gain the attention of an audience, that I was very diffident and feared to go before the world, that they would "not believe me nor hearken to my voice," that I was "slow of speech, and of a slow tongue." But I could get no relief." "I could not escape the impression, "Go and tell it to the world, their blood will I require at thy hand." "I felt impressed only with the greatness of the subject, which, by the providence of God, I was enabled to present." | ||
| Jeremy Registered user Username: Jeremy Post Number: 2522 Registered: 10-2004 |
Larry, I agree--William Miller was a false prophet. I think that, as formers, it is important that we understand this, just as it is important that we realize that EGW was a false prophet. It seems that, as former SDAs, we have downplayed Miller's false prophecies and role in such a destructive movement (the Millerite movement) that has produced such extremely rotten fruits. Even if Miller had "repented," what good would that do? How does it help him any if he admitted to being a false prophet? Jeremy (Message edited by Jeremy on November 16, 2008) | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 634 Registered: 5-2007 |
Jeremy, Even the title of his letter is "Apology and Defense". Defending what? That is like a criminal apologizing to the family of somebody he killed, titling his letter "Apology and Defense" !! One of the statements Miller used in his "apology" was this: "I cannot therefore censure myself for having conscientiously performed what I believed to be my duty." here is another: "I therefore still feel that it was my duty to present all the evidence that was apparent to my mind; and were I now in the same circumstances, I should be compelled to act as I have done." | ||
| Joyfulheart Registered user Username: Joyfulheart Post Number: 346 Registered: 10-2006 |
Has anyone heard the claim that William Miller was a master mason? | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 636 Registered: 5-2007 |
Joyfulheart, Worse than a mason, he was a false prophet that the Bible warned about in latter times. To think that any of us were in the belly of that beast, and didn't even know it!! Makes one shudder! Oh what a slick deception adventism is. Good thing the elect will be called out of Babylon, out of adventism, mormonism, and whatever else is false. | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 637 Registered: 5-2007 |
The person who made this webpage or here is sda and his conclusions are: "Based on all this, I’m satisfied with the conclusion that William Miller was a Freemason." | ||
| Pegg Registered user Username: Pegg Post Number: 55 Registered: 2-2006 |
Please, can someone fill me in on this Freemason stuff? What do Masons do that's so bad? Thanks! Pegg | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 537 Registered: 7-2007 |
In google, I typed in: Was William Miller a Mason? and the first result was from "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia." It said that William Miller was a very high ranking Freemason. Eeeeuuuu...!!!!! That's of the devil, isn't it?!!! VERY occultic, I understand. In Charles Finney's autobiography, I read that he (Charles Finney) tried to reason with William Miller, to no avail. Charles Finney was used mightily by the Lord to preach. MANY people were converted and became Christians as a result of Charles Finney's preaching. I wish I'd looked up the Adventist church's beginnings a long time ago. I was so decieved, believing the SDA interpretation of the "proof" texts they use. Back then, I knew nothing about the new covenant that Jesus brought in by His blood that completely superseded the old covenant. Instead I believed the Adventist smorgasbord that picks and chooses some things out of the old covenant and some things out of the new and mixes them together. | ||
| Joyfulheart Registered user Username: Joyfulheart Post Number: 347 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hi Pegg, The Freemasons appear to be a service organization, but have many occultic practices in the initiation rites. At the end, in the highest orders they find out it is not God they are worshipping, but satan. There are many resources available online to check it out. Here's one. http://www.chick.com/information/religions/masonry/ This might mean nothing to you, but I went for a chicken dinner fundraiser at a masonic lodge. From the moment I walked in the door, I felt an absolutely evil presence. I couldn't wait to get out of there. Being a false prophet is bad enough, but a Mason, too ... and he is still revered and lauded at Adventist prophecy seminars everywhere. | ||
| Pegg Registered user Username: Pegg Post Number: 56 Registered: 2-2006 |
What is "very occultic" about the Masons? I know several men who belong to the Masonic Lodge. I am certain these guys are not into the occult. My grandfather was a Mason. I knew him very, very well. He was not into the occult. I know the story about EGW and the Masonic sign. I am not willing to believe stuff just because it casts her in a bad light. The stuff she wrote is sufficient for that purpose. Please provide evidence, not gossip. Pegg | ||
| Pegg Registered user Username: Pegg Post Number: 57 Registered: 2-2006 |
Hello Joyful - Thanks for the link. The site has a clear agenda. I'll have to look into it further. ***************** "In Charles Finney's autobiography, I read that he (Charles Finney) tried to reason with William Miller, to no avail. Charles Finney was used mightily by the Lord to preach. MANY people were converted and became Christians as a result of Charles Finney's preaching." ***************** Asurprise - Have you ever read any of Charles Finney's stuff? I haven't seen alot, but what I've read is pretty rough. Made EGW look downright gracious! Actually, as I was reading, I was wondering if he might have been a source of her plagiarism. Pegg | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 638 Registered: 5-2007 |
Specifically, what were Finney's most serious errors? At the top of the list stands his rejection of the doctrine of justification by faith. Finney denied that the righteousness of Christ is the sole ground of our justification, teaching instead that sinners must reform their own hearts in order to be acceptable to God.LINK On Masonry: Masonry teaches that the Bible is incomprehensible: "The teachers, even of Christianity, are, in general the most ignorant of the true meaning of that which they teach. There is no book of which so little is known as the Bible. To most who read it, it is as incomprehensible as the Sohar." (page 105) LINK | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 639 Registered: 5-2007 |
Masonry teaches that one of the deities of Masonry is Lucifer, and that Lucifer is God: "When the Mason learns that the Key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the Mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply [this] energy." (Lost Keys of Freemasonry, Manly P. Hall, page 48) LINK | ||
| Larry Registered user Username: Larry Post Number: 640 Registered: 5-2007 |
Finney wrote: There can be no justification in a legal or forensic sense, but upon the ground of universal, perfect, and uninterrupted obedience to law. This is of course denied by those who hold that gospel justification, or the justification of penitent sinners, is of the nature of a forensic or judicial justification. They hold to the legal maxim, that what a man does by another he does by himself, and therefore the law regards Christ's obedience as ours, on the ground that He obeyed for us [Systematic Theology, 362] | ||
| Asurprise Registered user Username: Asurprise Post Number: 538 Registered: 7-2007 |
I typed in Google; What did Charles Finney write about Freemasonry? Here is something I found. In "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia," it says: "Prior to his conversion, he had been a Freemason, but became a staunch opponent of Masonry and wrote an extensive book attacking it, entitled, "The Character, Claims and Practical Workings of Freemasonry." Charles Finney was a third degree master mason for eight years. It also says that: "Finney came to believe that part of his oath as a Master Mason was immoral..." Another one I clicked on quotes what he said concerning how wrong the oaths are, that Masons take. He said: "Because 1st, they are forbidden by Christ." "Because they are awfully profane..." "Certainly both the administering and taking of these oaths are taking the name of God in vain." "Because they swear to do unlawful things." "They swear to persecute all who swear to violate Masonic oaths as long as they live..." Anyway, that's some of what he said about the oaths. You could probably buy his book on the subject. Going back to "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia," it says that candidates for regular Masons are to declare a belief in a Supreme Being and that it doesn't matter "who" or "what" that "supreme being" is. (So that "supreme being" could be "Para Brahman" to a Hindu Mason.) Anyway, that's a little bit of information on it. I think Joseph Smith took his ideas for oath-taking for the Mormon church he started, from the Masons. |
