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Lrcrabtree
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Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2008 - 5:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just curious if anyone has read this book by Douglas Hackleman? Is it worth buying and reading?
Larry
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Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2008 - 6:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No need to buy, it is online here.



(Message edited by Larry on November 20, 2008)
Lrcrabtree
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Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2008 - 6:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks Larry,

I checked it out and it looked promising, until I realized that they only have the first page or two of each of the stories. Just enough to whet the appetite, but not the rest of the story.

I'll keep looking, though.

Larry
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Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2008 - 7:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Larry,

It appears to be worth having if the subject is of interest to you.

I have other material that covers the same topic. Email me if you are interested in having a copy.

Phil
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Posted on Friday, November 21, 2008 - 7:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Larry,

Thanks to Gilbert providing the link to Vance Ferrell's website I located the material online that I was referring to:

http://sdadefend.com/MINDEX-C/Collision%20Course.pdf

Of course, he is an Adventist author but so is the author of the material you were asking about. The part about the Harris Pine Mills got real personal when I mentioned the subject to my SDA aunt who lives in Pendleton and worked there all her adult life up until it suddenly declared bankruptcy. There was 'fire in her eyes' when she related how she found out by simply showing up for work and there was no job and no paycheck for hours already worked. The State of Oregon, with no legal requirement to do so, bailed them out by covering their lost wages.

The SDA church simply did nothing and said nothing.

P.S. Even though some claim my family is related to the Clyde Harris line, I have not been able to find the connection even though both our families came from the same Wisconsin area.

Phil
Larry
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Posted on Friday, November 21, 2008 - 8:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So the church-owned Harris Pine Mill stole money from its workers when it was convenient and legal, eh? Interesting. Not suprising at all, I guess.

I ran a line-saw in my academy years for them. Cut many knots out of wood so that it could be glued back together into panels without knots.
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Posted on Saturday, November 22, 2008 - 2:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Harris Pine Mills did remember the distinctive Adventist trait of not paying good wages (i.e., beginning wages at around two dollars per hour for full-time employees). After the General Conference got their share of the profits, there wasn't much left for anyone else. An operating board controlled by a bunch of Adventist preachers, with no lumber business management experience, were not fit to run such a large private company. With their low pay scale, they should have been a major competitor in the furniture business as well.

Dennis Fischer
Lrcrabtree
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Posted on Saturday, November 22, 2008 - 4:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The Harris Pine Mills debacle is especially interesting to me. I worked at the Healdsburg, CA., plant when I was enrolled at Rio Lindo Academy. It seemed like such a thriving enterprise, with lots of low wage students anxious to work for anything. In fact, a year after graduation, I moved to Healdsburg because I was having trouble finding a job, and was confident that I could get hired back at Harris Pine Mills. I was right. I worked there for several months before I found better work elsewhere.
Larry
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Posted on Saturday, November 22, 2008 - 5:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mr. Crabtree,

Do you know a Gwynn and Leroy Langham from Rio Lindo? I can supply a phone number if you are interested.
Lrcrabtree
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Posted on Sunday, November 23, 2008 - 8:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Larry, Neither of those name sound familiar. I graduated from there in '72, but only went to RLA for 2 1/2 years total.
Lifeanew
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Posted on Sunday, November 23, 2008 - 5:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In 1974 my husband and I met at Harris Pine Mills in Spangle, Washington where we both worked. As students we made $1.25 per hour. During the school year our 4 hour day brought us $5.00 a day. Hard work, low wages. Oh the memories....
Larry
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Posted on Monday, November 24, 2008 - 10:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

$5 per day? Hey, you could invest all that money in shoe leather and comb ditches and roadways for beer cans. Double your money in a short time plus think of all the fun!

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