| Author | Message | ||
| Allenette |
In-n-out-uger???man I must be thick as a brick but I STILL dont get it!!!??? help! In-n-out I can figure out but...cant see that as particularly NASTY...anybody else up for enlightening me? Think I'll go open a can of Vege-links nyuk nyuk nyuk | ||
| Chyna |
allenette! in-n-out urge i-ya :). tell you the truth i'm a so. Cali girl of many years, about 11? 12? and i have never seen it. although on the east coast i had major cravings for in-n-out. coincidentally, well probably not so coincidentally, i have been picking at my meat. it's all my ex's fault, i swear. a tad bit embarrassed, Chyna | ||
| Loneviking |
Chyna, where were you in So-Cal? I lived in Redlands from 1982 to 1995 and the stickers were everywhere. Even had one myself! Yes, Allennette (sheepish grin), that was me with the good 'ol cottage cheese recipe. I couldn't find the one I usually use, and there is a recipe book from Redlands Junior Academy that has some major mistakes in it........... | ||
| Chyna |
i'm in orange county, right now (it's where i spent most of my formative years, i lived in canada from birth to 7) this is the sad part about my break up is that in june, i drove my b/f out to loma linda to look for apartments, but it was also for me to look at apartments too because we had planned on me living there getting a job nearby him. oh well, it's better sooner than later. i just went camping at Big Bear last weekend and passed by LL and Redlands. it is a desert out there! it's so different from O.C. in Him, Chyna | ||
| Maryann |
Hi Chyna, DON'T pass by Redlands without seeing us that live in that area!!!!!!!;-)) Maryann | ||
| Chyna |
Maryann :), thanks for the invite, LoneViking, i always thought it was weird that they had an In-N-Out in Loma Linda of all places. maybe it's all those secretive furtive meat cravin' vegetarians. in Him, Chyna | ||
| Maryann |
I've heard that some Wiemar (sp?) inmates escape when ever possible to get a "food fix" from nearby burger/fast food joints. | ||
| Allenette |
When my non/never-SDA hubby worked at the SDA hospital here in Madison, TN, he used to come home just FUMING about how his SDA fellow employees would "get on him" about his brought from home bologna sandwiches, and yet he'd walk by their cars and see all the fast-food hamburger wrappings inside ;-) Hypocrisy is alive and WELL here. Our homegrown tomatoes are in....and boy does this BACON, lettuce, and tomato sandwich taste GOOOOOD !!! | ||
| Maryann |
I don't know if hypocrisy is alive and well, but, it certainly sounds like a lot of bologna;-) | ||
| Sherry2 |
I'm a little confused by some of this. I'm in agreement with Breezy that you can help people learn how to cook in a healthful way, and not be getting in the way of the salvation message. I think it would be more balanced to see how to prepare and pick the best meats and eat them in a healthful way as well as vegetarianism. That sure would be helpful to me. I agree that salvation is not about eat and drink, yet am I not breaking the law of love if I sit down and eat all kinds of sugar-filled things when I'm a diabetic, or just eat nothing but junk till I'm bursting at the seams. Love your neighbor AS YOURSELF. This would not seem to be what the Bible prescribes for growing in grace, and becoming more like Christ on a regular basis...now saying that I know that it goes deeper into character qualities, and maybe the quality that this person seems to have that is destroying his life would be laziness. But whatever the case, I think we should be willing to grow in these areas (all areas) and encourage each other in following Jesus, without thinking that we are making a salvation issue out of this. I know the SDA obsession, but that doesn't mean eating healthfully becomes a taboo. Is this making any sense? | ||
| Breezy |
Sherry, Amen! That is a perfect grasp of things! Just because some become obsessed with things doesn't mean we cannot live a healthy lifestyle without becoming obsessed. Same with the Sabbath for me, I do not have to observe it in a way that is legalistic. Great points you made! God is leading you Sherry. Wendy | ||
| George |
Sherry2 and all the rest of you too, Guess I have been exposed to as much of the SDA diet as just about anyone, and of course I am always reminded that they are the only ones that could ever know how to eat good, because God is the one that told them how to do it. Now, a person doesn't have to look around to much to see that everyone or at least many people are trying to eat a better diet. We have been hearing for years that we should eat less fat and more fiber, as well as many other good things. How long have we been hearing that we should eat 5 or more servings of fruits and veges. a day? In fact we been told we should eat given amount from all the food groups. Good advice and it comes from "heathen" doctors at that. I got off the subject a little, the point I was wanting to make is that there is a lot of good info. out there on how to eat good and stay healthy that doesn't have any guilt attached to it. I get the idea that you are a diabetic. So am I. We as diabetics have to watch what we eat much more than anyone else as we will have just about all the other illnesses everyone else can get and then some if our sugar is to high or we eat to much protein. But there are wonderful diets out there for us. In fact the last time I was to the doctor told by his nurse that she follows the diebetic diet becaue it is so healthy. And I know she does it with out feeling guilty, if she eats something that is not the best sonetimes. Just another thought, in we weighted the bad effect of guilt and the good effect of the SDA diet, I wonder if we will come out that far ahead. And if we did, I wonder if it would have been worth the happiness we missed. I don't know about the rest of you but I am for quality not quantity. Life is to short to spend it on guilt. Guilt free eating to you----George | ||
| Breezy |
George, I am going to say this as politely as I can.You are mistaken. That is not the mindset in the church at all. Every time I hear someone in the Adventist church talking about diet and "heathen" doctors as you put it, it is positive. At the very worst they just say that it is about time the rest of the world caught up. Nothing at all about not taking their advice because they are not Adventist. I am very sorry to hear that you had such bad experiences with diet and foods and stuff and did you think that maybe your resentment about it is far more damaging than the original guilt you may have felt about your diet. Letting it eat at your mind is just as bad as whatever misplaced person led you to believe these erroneous doctrines in the first place. With more understanding than you might think, Wendy | ||
| Bruceh |
Breezy IS VEGETARIANISM REQUIRED OF GOD1S PEOPLE EGW-Counsels on Diet and Foods PG. 36 Those who have received instruction regarding the evils of the use of flesh foods, tea and coffee, and rich and unhealthful food preparations, and who are determined to make a covenant with God by sacrifice, will not continue to indulge their appetite for food that they know to be unhealthful. God demands that the appetites be cleansed, and that self-denial be practiced in regard to those things which are not good. This is a work that will have to be done before His people can stand before Him a perfected people. CAN CHRISTIANS MINISTERS EAT MEAT? EGW- Counsels on Diet and Foods PG 399 Let not any of our ministers set an evil example in the eating of flesh meat. Let them and their families live up to the light of health reform. BIBLE- LUKE 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover (lamb) with you before I suffer: IS A CHRISTIAN UNDER CONDEMNATION IF HE EATS MEAT? EGW- Counsels on Diet and Foods PG.20 At the time the light of health reform dawned upon us, and since that time, the questions have come home every day, "Am I practicing true temperance in all things?" "Is my diet such as will bring me in a position where I can accomplish the greatest amount of good?" If we cannot answer these questions in the affirmative, we stand condemned before God, for He will hold us all responsible for the light which has shone upon our path. WILL EATING EGGS HINDER OUR PRAYERS? EGW-Counsels on Diet and Foods PG.366 You place upon your tables butter, eggs, and meat, and your children partake of them. They are fed with the very things that will excite their animal passions, and then you come to meeting and ask God to bless and save your children. How high do your prayers go? Bruce Heinrich BH | ||
| George |
Breezy, Also with kindness, I am not mistaken as this is the mind set of the SDA church every where I have been, which has been the south east, west coast, and many places in between. If a person reads EGW and follows what she says you can't help but believe that way. To say that the rest of the world is catching up, is to imply that they have learned from the SDAs other wise how could they be catching up. There are some real big gaps in the health message as seen by EGW. Just one of them is diabetis. It was such a deadly problem through out all the time she was getting "messages" that I wonder why something was not shown to her about it, and the list could go on. I did not have a bad experience with the diet, a little guilt here and there, but not a bad experience. Nor do I have any resentment about it. That is just the way it was, it did not do me any harm to be resented. I let go of the diet as well as all the rest of it a long time ago. It took another ten years to get over the fear and guilt, but I an finally over it. I had to give the whole thing up as I felt that if I picked and chose amongest the teachings I would be very hypocritical and didn't want to be spewed out of God's mouth. George | ||
| Sherry2 |
Hey George, All I'm trying to say is that it should be ok to say it is wise to eat well without getting shot down on the forum. I think, because many of us have experienced the negatives of Adventism and they indeed had a profoundly negative effect on us (like constant guilt or discussions of who enters heaven based on whether they eat cheese or not) that we can shoot others down who are simply advocating eating well but are not taking it to extremes...does that make sense? I'm not diabetic, but my Grandfather was, and despite it, he would eat against his prescribed diet, even on his death bed, and died as a result. That was not wise. I have a very balanced view with the meat-eating issue I didn't have last year. I've got a friend who's children are allergic to eggs and milk, and being a good SDA she wanted to be vegan any ways. She fixed balanced meals with lots of bean proteins, etc. But her kids suffered badly from asthma. Her doctor told her the kids needed to eat meat. This did not fly over well, but her children's health wasn't good. And so she started fixing meat again. Neither of the kids are suffering from asthma anymore. There has to be balance in all things. I just wanted there to be fair play when someone is concerned about these issues. | ||
| Breezy |
Sherry, Thank you, that is a very balanced outlook. I believe that as is cleanliness, healthiness is next to godliness. George, I used to live in College Place,WA. Which is like an Adventist mecca and those people were like what you are talking about. I just wanted to point out that perhaps there may be more than you think that do not hold that viewpoint. Bruce, Hi,welcome back! No I do not believe that you must give up meat to be saved. I do believe that if an Adventist minister preaches something from the pulpit, then he should live it as well. I can't explain Ellen's comments that you listed, but I do know that there are equal comments where she clarified that we should not take things to extremes. Also she specifically said that if a family is poor and their only sources of foods include meat and dairy,they should eat them. Also, if a family could not eat the creation diet they should eat the best they can with what they have. Doesn't sound like a salvation requirement to me. I'm not denying that taking alot of Ellen's writings out of context makes a great case for her being a false prophet, I just don't believe it is a valid argument(please, don't let's start this one again,I've already made up my mind. :)) Take Care and glad you're back! Wendy | ||
| Patti |
Wendy: Thank you, that is a very balanced outlook. I believe that as is cleanliness, healthiness is next to godliness. Patti: Interesting. Got a reference on that one? :) Never mind... Just poking at you a bit... | ||
| Breezy |
No Patti, I think it was Ben Franklin or some other dude. :) Wendy | ||
| Chyna |
the quote is cleanliness is next to godliness, and it's ben franklin. although i must admit i have a bone to pick with that quote as well being a rather messy person myself :) in Him, Chyna |
