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Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 163
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 12:23 pm: |     |
My great aunt died at 103. They made their own pork sausage and she smoked a pipe. Funny lady. Even had a moustache. |
Jerry
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Username: Jerry
Post Number: 401
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 16, 2004 - 8:40 pm: | |
My Maternal Grandfather died at 101. His brother died at 102 (farmed until he was 100). My maternal grandmother's sisters died at 101 and 106.
Not one of them vegetarian.
(gravy bisquits, lots of butter, gallons of coffee, pot roasts, sausages, etc. etc. etc.)
Anecdotes can be very misleading. My information does not prove that meat eaters live longer any more than the SDA stories prove anything about vegetarianism.
Even if either side could "win" the debate, it has nothing to do with salvation or a relationship with God.
I say: eat what you find is good for you, and don't eat what you find is bad for you, and praise God from whom all blessings flow.
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Thomas1
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Username: Thomas1
Post Number: 91
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 8:42 am: | |
On the other hand .. My father was an extremely strong and "healthy" man. Did 125 pushups every day, 125 deep bend sit ups every day and ran to the back of the farm and back every day. Was a total vegan the last 25+ years of his life. This man would eat no meat, fish, flesh of any type. He was quite proud of the fact that he had the "health message". He died of a massive heart attack doing his push ups. I can still hear the undertakers words when he said that my dad was the "healthiest man he had ever embalmed."
I was seventeen. He was 58
Bet that one doesn't make their research book!
Sure glad that I'm
In His Grace!
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Thomas |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 35
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 10:57 pm: | |
As a former Adventist physician I know pointed out once, people who do not smoke or drink and who eat mostly low-fat meats such as chicken and turkey, etc., have the same life-span benefits vegetarians supposedly have. Mormons, by the way, are also shown to live on the average seven years longer than the general public. Mormons, like Adventists, do not smoke or drink. Unlike Adventists, they do eat meat.
And, as Jerry pointed out, this eating and drinking has nothing to do with salvation or with our relationships with God!
Colleen |
Dennis
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Username: Dennis
Post Number: 14
Registered: 4-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 10:45 pm: | |
HOW THE PASTOR AND I SOLD BARBECUED BEEF
While living with an SDA pastor in eastern Tennessee in the late 1960s (I was serving as a colporteur in that area while I was still single), he asked me one Sunday afternoon, to help him sell barbecued beef sandwiches at a horse show concession stand. The sole purpose of this concession stand was to raise money for the local church school.
The pastor explained to me that meat analogs (i.e., canned Loma Linda veggie burger, etc.)were far too expensive to make into sandwiches--thereby reducing the profit margin. Therefore, he and I sold real meat sandwiches to the horsemen at this regional horse show.
It was indeed funny as one guy was buying a barbecued beef sandwich from the pastor, he asked, "Is this sandwich any good?" The pastor replied, "Actually, I don't know. I never tasted it." Anyway, the sales amounted to hundreds of dollars in profit for the local church school.
Due to traditional SDA views about meat, the church school teacher refused to show up and help at the concession stand. What a double life we lived!
Dennis J. Fischer |
Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 269
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 8:34 am: | |
This email was sent out from the conference of SDA. Note all the assurance that his diet didn't cause his problem...it seems there is a lot of shame involved if something goes wrong with the SDA's health...know what I mean? I know an SDA doctor that put on seminars about the SDA diet, etc. and lived by what he preached (at least we assume he did) and he had a massive heart attack. Well, they finally announced it in church (several weeks later) but stated he didn't want visitors, I think he was ashamed. You know the SDA diet is supposed to make you invincible.
Ron Christman, secretary-treasurer of ASI, underwent quintuple by-pass heart surgery Friday night, January 16, at Washington Adventist Hospital, in Takoma Park, Maryland. The surgery was conducted after attempts to perform an angioplasty and insert a stint had failed earlier Friday.
Ron was admitted to the hospital after experiencing several episodes of chest pains during the previous evening. These pains soon became identifiable as resulting from heart trouble. After initial examination for a heart attack, cardiologists determined minimal damage had been done to the heart but that there was severe blockage in his arteries.
Within a few hours of the successful completion of the surgery he was sitting up and communicating with family members. The doctors are keeping a close watch on Ron and are very positive in his full recovery, in part because of Ron's good health and lifestyle.
"The doctors are baffled as to why he would have heart blockage and need heart surgery," Ron's wife, Joyce Christman, says. "They noted that he has maintained a low fat, low sodium vegetarian diet and actively walks every day and there is no family history of heart disease."
"One great advantage they say is there will be very little lifestyle counseling," she says relaying the doctors' quip.
Wow! Good for him! Something went wrong????? What could that have been?
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Jeannette
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Username: Jeannette
Post Number: 11
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 23, 2004 - 11:42 am: | |
My husband was raised vegetarian but became a carnivour when we married (33 yrs, his cholesterol is low and his angioplasty showed his arteries are very clean. His sister and brother in law, on the other hand, are strict vegetarians and are having a very hard time trying to lower their cholesterol. My poor mom is not vegetarian but she wont go to social activities at her retirement apt. because "they might put pork in the food" It is so sad that she is missing out on a lot of fun activities because that. How I wish she could see that in God's eyes that is not important. I showed her what Paul says about the issue. She went to her pastor and he explained to her that that letter was addressed to the Bereans and that they knew already about clean and unclean meats so it was not necessary for him to specify what meats where ok. to eat.
Jeannette |
Spokenfor
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Username: Spokenfor
Post Number: 16
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 23, 2004 - 2:04 pm: | |
This is an interesting discussion. Growing up my SDA family did eat clean meat but as a child I never cared for it much (possibly due to a slaughter house movie I was shown in church school). While practicing Adventism my husband and I were strictly vegetarian (he was raised that way) and for awhile even vegan (that was a number of years ago).
I remember once being incredibly upset when I left my 2 year old son with a non-adventist friend for a couple of hours - she fed him a few peices of a 'real' hotdog (pork) thinking nothing of it. I didn't tell her how I felt (thank goodness!) but felt just sick inside that my baby had been contaminated. Looking back I just can't believe I was that fanatical but I was.
Since leaving we have been eating fish and my husband and boys eat chicken and turkey and would have no problem with other meats except that they haven't really have a craving for them. I don't personally have a taste for anything other than fish.
This fall on a trip to Boston we found ourselves sitting in a restaurant at noon on Saturday eating clam chowder. We looked at each other and laughed at how far we'd come! Praise Jesus for giving us new life!
One more cute story - this summer we went out for lunch with some conservative Adventist friends (who didn't know we would soon be leaving the church and assumed we were still members in good vegetarian standing!) The restaurant we'd chosen turned out to be closed and as we were walking away my 5 year old son said "Man, I was looking forward to some grilled salmon!" All I could do was smile. |
Spokenfor
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Username: Spokenfor
Post Number: 17
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 23, 2004 - 2:31 pm: | |
A couple more thoughts -- one of my uncles (non-sda)passed away last year at 103. His favorite foods were spam and canned peas. His wife's diet is about the same and she just turned 93 - lives alone and is very sharp. The point being I am more and more convinced that genetics play a bigger role in longevity than diet or excercise do. I have heard (though can't recall the source) that Mormon's live an average of 1 year longer than Adventists and they eat pork. The study showed that when tobacco and alcohol are removed most other factors even out. |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 46
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 23, 2004 - 2:43 pm: | |
Your comments about heredity, Spokenfor, remind me of my sister's observation. (She was a critical care nurse for 15 years and also a cardiac rehab nurse.) Her take on longevity..."Some people just have good protoplasm."
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Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 175
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 23, 2004 - 8:20 pm: | |
Genesis 9:3-4
EVERY MOVING THING that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant. Only you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood
Whatís confusing about ìevery moving thingî? |
Susan_2
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Post Number: 481
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 30, 2004 - 6:53 pm: | |
I have presented this text to numerous sda kin. It has no impact. |
Melissa
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Username: Melissa
Post Number: 183
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 31, 2004 - 6:18 pm: | |
B always says I see what I want to believe...I guess you could say the same about anyone. But it gives me assurance of my own beliefs... That's all I can control anyway. |
Colleentinker
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Post Number: 56
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 02, 2004 - 12:30 pm: | |
So true, Melissa. Further, when we live by the Spirit, He gives us the assurance of our beliefs. He convicts us or error and leads us to understand what is true. Praise God!
Colleen |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 494
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 3:49 pm: | |
A true story. My wonderful six year old granddaughter lost a tooth several weeks ago. Her tooth came out on a Friday. She made sure to let everyone know she was expecting the tooth fairy to leave her some money and that her tooth would be under her pillow that night. As luck would have it, and my son may have planned it this way but he hasn't come out and said so, my little granddaughter woke up Saturday morning and looked under her pillow only to find her tooth still there and no money. In tears she ran to her parents bedroom wanting to know how come the tooth fairy didn't come. As most of you have probably figured out by now, my son told her the tooth fairy does not work on Sabbath and since she (the tooth faity) only delivers money for lost teeth during nighttime my granddaughter will have to try again on Saturday night which she did and when she woke up on Sunday morning she had money under her pillow from the tooth fairy. Now, I don't know about you all out there on this forum, but I think there is something greatly wrong with this and it is totally wrong and really stupid! BTW, my son did not tell me this story because I'm sure he knows me, his mamma well enough to know that I'd have told him just what I think of this. However, he did tell this story to my mother who is extremely proud of her grandson, my son because he is instilling proper Sabbath-keeping into my little granddaughter. |
Barbsigirl
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Username: Barbsigirl
Post Number: 10
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 28, 2004 - 4:30 pm: | |
Ok, so it's o.k. to lie if you are getting the point across about the Sabbath!!! Amazing! When I was little my adventist mother and father would never let me believe in the tooth fairy or Santa Claus because that would be lying. So everyone has their own standards, but the whole scenario sounds ridiculous, but very typical. |
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