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| Praisegod Registered user Username: Praisegod Post Number: 177 Registered: 3-2004 |
Just in the past month I read a book on church planting. Since I'm away from home, I can't reference it. But one statistic that hit me is that when attending a new church, 70% of the time the average person has decided whether or not to return before the pastor gets up to preach. That statistic alone would suggest that we humans do tend to look for a style as well as a doctrinal base with which we can agree. Praise God... | ||
| Belvalew Registered user Username: Belvalew Post Number: 88 Registered: 7-2004 |
Dear Truthseeker, The reason I left the SDA denomination was because I found there was error in their interpretation of scripture. I realized that if I had to go to the Spirit of Prophecy to uphold a doctrine, rather than being able to clearly teach that doctrine from scripture alone, then there was error in the doctrine itself. The doctrine of which I speak is Investigative Judgment. I have as yet been unable to have anyone teach me about IJ without having to reference EGW, and I simply do not accept that she was called by God when she plagerized so much of her work from other authors of her day. She even plagerized from the Appochrapha. I was a 3rd Generation SDA, and most of my family on both sides is still involved in SDAism. Family gatherings have gotten so that there are enough of us who now question EGW that we have agreed to disagree and not bring certain topics up. I have had so-called friends say that I fell away from SDAism so that I could wear make-up and jewelry, but I know several SDAs who use a lot more of those things than I do. I left because I wanted to be fed the true meat of the gospel, and once I got my teeth into that I could not be pulled away back to the made-up fantasies that are represented by some of the SDA doctrines. Give me Jesus. Belva | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 854 Registered: 3-2004 |
Truthseeker, I am a second generation SDA & left the SDA church because I found out that EGW plagiarized and said she was inspired by God. I went to SDA schools first grade through graduating from LLU. I had almost left the SDA church, and was about to be rebaptized when I learned this. I then decided to study all the doctrine of the SDA church. When I did I found out about the old and new covenant. I am not a scholar and cannot write about it like others on here do, but I did read all the New Testament. John talks about how the Father loves us and all we need is Jesus. I read Galatians, Hebrews and learned as I read each book. It was enough to convince me I was correct in leaving the SDA church and the doctrine I am learning from the Bible is not what I learned in SDA schools. I will repeat what Belva says, Give me Jesus. He is awesome. Diana | ||
| Colleentinker Registered user Username: Colleentinker Post Number: 1139 Registered: 12-2003 |
Length of time in the church has nothing to do with leaving or not leaving. There are people on this forum who have been SDAs only relatively short times. We get quite a bit of correspondence from people who have either been in the church only a very few years or have been close to joining but have become concerned with some point of doctrine or practice and have begun to do their own research. If one is not finding expository, verse-by-verse Bible teaching in church, he needs to start going elsewhere. Never have I heard whole books of the Bible or chapters taught from the pulpit in an Adventist church. Now, every week we are taught, phrase by phrase, passages of the Bible. Topics are not the focus; Bible passages are. Adventists do not study the Bible inductively. Hearing a sermon with many texts tossed in does not equal Bible teaching. Once again, I'm left feeling as if the essence of what we are saying is being missed. Worship style has nothing to do with why most of us here left; neither does the length of time we were Adventists. We did not leave Adventism to steep ourselves in motivational speaking or repetitive worship. We left because we discovered heresy and we began to hunger for the Bible as God brought eternal life to our spirits. Again, our leaving is not based upon "personal opinion". We discovered facts we could not ignore or rationalize without compromising ourselves. I'll also repeat Belva, Diana, and Dd: Give me Jesus! Colleen | ||
| Dane Registered user Username: Dane Post Number: 85 Registered: 4-2004 |
John, Your last post is confusing. You ask about length of time as an SDA relative to leaving but don't anchor the thought in anything. Then you talk about various churches. Then you appear to accuse us of not being serious about living for Christ. You are not communicating clearly here. However I will try to respond to what I think you are trying to communicate. Thirty years ago I had the same mindset that you have. I would not have understood how anyone could leave Adventism because of sincere doctrinal differences. Looking back on my life as an Adventist, I can see that I was spiritually blind, made so by SDA culture and doctrine. It was not until the Spirit opened me to an understanding of the simple Gospel that the blindness started going away. I can't speak to your question regarding length of time in SDA, except for myself and my wife. We were born into SDA. I was educated in SDA schools grades 1 through grad school. Then I taught in SDA schools for six years.(so don't tell me I don't understand SDA) You also make the following statement: "I find it discouraging to listen to evangelists on tv like Joel osteen...The message sounds good...but it is motivational speaking...It doesn't touch on how serious sin in our lives is..but concentrates more on what we can get now...I may be wrong..but shouldn't our lives here on earth now have one focus...to give 100% of ourselves to Christ? To desire to walk in obedience....to desire what Jesus told us to be? Mt 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Everything said here goes against that mentality....If Christ told us to be perfect...and His mind is in us...then we should wake up every day with that desire to live just as He lived....a desire to be perfect as He commanded us to be." I have no idea who Joel Osteen is but I agree that a sermon should not be "motivational speaking". And most Christians I know would agree. Have you ever listened to preachers like Chuck Swindoll or Stuart Briscoe? They preach the Word. As an Adventist I thought I was being fed by SDA sermons until I understood the gospel. And John, what makes you think that we don't want to be whatever Jesus wants us to be? Your final statement shows both the SDA misunderstanding of "perfection" and a touch of the condecension most of us had as Adventists. Finally, I reiterate what Colleen has posted. We left because we found dangerous heresy in SDA, and we chose to love Jesus alone, rather than Jesus plus falsehood. Praying for you, Dane | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 139 Registered: 7-2004 |
I had been an SDA for about 3 years when I started finding many things that didn't make sense. Statements by EGW that I couldn't reconcile with Scripture and passages of Scripture that just wouldn't fit into SDA doctrine. As I read Scripture I found so many Bible study "proof texts" that were taken out of the context around them. This was 20 years ago and I felt totally alone in what I was finding and in the confusion, frustration, anger, abandonment and everything else I was feeling. My wife was a multi-generational SDA on both sides of her family and didn't understand any of what I was finding. I felt so alone that I became convinced that more learned and more Spiritual people than I had found and understood SDA doctrine so they must be right and I must be wrong. I became so discouraged and depressed about Christianity that I quit attending church, quit studying, quit praying; I basically gave up on God for almost 7 years. But praise God! He never gives up on us. I was drawn back to Him, returning to the SDA church but focusing my attention on Him and His Word. I had given up years before that my wife would ever understand the concerns that I had found and hadn't talked about them for years--why create tension at home. Without saying anything to me, my wife started studying some of these same issues on the internet about 6 years ago. It was another 3 years before I knew anything about what she was studying and what questions she was now having. That might cause you to think that we don't communicate very well. We do (at least I think so, but hey I'm a guy), in most areas, but questions about the beliefs that she had grown up with had been off-limits for years and I guess she wasn't really ready to re-open those discussions and break our "truce". The circumstances surrounding each of us leaving a very different. We have diverse backgrounds in terms of ages, years in SDAism, and theological training. But the experiences of coming to find error in what we had believed so strongly before is consistent. John, I hope that as you read through the responses and comments here you can begin to see the people who treasure what they have learned from Scripture, who struggled with leaving the SDA church even after they no longer agreed with the core doctrines, and who have chosen to follow their convictions despite the loss of friends and scorn of family (and in some cases the loss of jobs and retirement benefits). No one here made this decision lightly, quickly, or easily. Few, if any, of us take it personal when you don't agree with what we teach. I think many of us take it personal when you offhandedly dismiss our conviction and dedication to the Lord and His Word. | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 5 Registered: 7-2000 |
In my family, I was the only one who became an SDA. I joined the church at the age of 15. Subsequently, I attended Mount Vernon Academy in Ohio, then Andrews University for my B.A.degree and also for an MDiv graduate degree in Systematic Theology at the Seminary. I was a pastor and a Bible teacher for a few years, and spent almost 15 years in denominational employment. Over a period of some 30 years, I studied my way out of the errors of SDA doctrine. It took me that long because when I began, I was such a total devotee of the SDA church and of Ellen White's writings. It took a lot of hard experiences for the Holy Spirit to break through my rigid mindset and get me to honestly look at the facts. I know, John, that you will no doubt offer the standard SDA defense, but I ask you to honestly consider just the HUNDREDS of church-educated SDA pastors and seminary professors who have left the denomination over the past 40 years, not to mention all the years before that. These were not all superficial, uneducated, shallow Christians! Maybe, just maybe, they learned some things that you would do well to search out for yourself. I ask you the question that I often ask my SDA friends: If what you believe is NOT true, would you REALLY want to know? Only God knows your heart, not I. But please, don't take cheap shots at the sincerity of those of us who had to give up so much, including friends and family, to successfully exit the SDA church. | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 279 Registered: 7-2004 |
John, My heart aches for you! To quote Matt. 5:48 and say you are to be perfect as Jesus is perfect shows me that you are missing an opportunity to get off the "hampster wheel" of life. John, you CAN'T be perfect like Jesus!!! It's not possible, my friend. Stop trying! John 1:17 tells us that the law was given to Moses - take the law if you want, John but "GRACE AND TRUTH are realized through Jesus Christ" and that is what I want. The law and my own efforts at being perfect like Jesus are worthless. Maybe you want to rely on your efforts but I want "grace upon grace" (John 1:16) - grace like waves continually coming to shore. I want my life to have the constant reception of an evidence of God's grace replacing another! GIVE ME JESUS!!! | ||
| Bb Registered user Username: Bb Post Number: 52 Registered: 7-2004 |
Joel Osteen is definitely preaches a "feel good" doctrine. Every time I scan the channels and land on him I hear something like that. One time he talked about how someone won the lottery, as if it were God blessing them. I think most of us here are not looking for this, but for truth and for Jesus. Personally I do NOT feel fed in the SDA church. I was very reluctant to invite anyone to visit an SDA church when I attended because I was afraid of what the preaching would be! It was usually talking only to SDA's in their language, and you never knew if the preacher would be there or some elder who had an agenda. We had all kinds of strange sermons. One elder or deacon was preaching the need to keep all of the ceremonial feasts, etc. One time the preachers wife got up and did a Gary Smalley husband/wife thing and acted as if it were her own sermon! I had seen it before and knew it. Very weird. | ||
| Truthseeker2004 Registered user Username: Truthseeker2004 Post Number: 56 Registered: 12-2004 |
The debate as to whether or not the 10 commandments are relevant to the Christian today will likely rage on until the day Jesus returns! The fine line between truth and error is so close that unless we "study to show ourselves approved"....then even the very elect will be deceived. In all of Christendom....we are led by the Holy Spirit into all truth(the bible doesnt say he will lead you into some truth..but ALL truth)hn says "Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.".. There is only one Spirit of truth that can lead us into all truth, yet we have thousands of Christian denominations today that teach to some extent, truths that clash with each other. The denominations that stay away from bible prophecy(which are many) do so because they haven't been led into all truth yet. Obviously something that is understood as coming from the Holy Spirit is not coming from the Holy Spirit at all, but from the enemy....It would be great if we could all go to the bible and agree on any issue based solely on what scripture says, but that is impossible as well, as you get two interpretations of that scripture. I have heard the intepretations of scripture offered here, but have also studied the bible for myself and have a different understanding of what the bible says. Who is right? How can you be certain? While the majority of Christendom believes in one thing, that doesn't make it right....Noah and his family went into the ark a minority but came out the majority. Why is it that we say we are led by the Spirit yet led in so many different directions? Has anyone ever wondered that? I honestly believe that the bible is there for us to understand completely...from beginning to end....God wants us to understand everything about Him.....He wants us to understand all prophecy too..thats why it comprises such a big part of the bible. It's my aim to be led by the Holy Spirit into all truth. Saving knowledge is the understanding of what Christ accomplished for us at the cross....Understanding that we can enter into the Most Holy place and commune with God because of what Christ, our paschal lamb, did for us at Calvary.....God gave us the supreme gift of His Son..thereby showing us His grace and mercy towards us...we are so unworthy to receive anything and as the bible says, all our righteousness are as filthy rags. In no way does walking in obedience to God's moral law constitute "lawkeeping" as we call it....Obedience is a result of true repentance when we experience His awesome love, a love that knows no measure. Having said all of that..and knowing what God accomplished for mankind through His Son....it should cause us to wonder just what exactly is our reason for living? Why are we here and for what purpose has God created us? What does God want from us? Does He want more than an acknowledgment from mankind of His existence?..or of the work Christ completed for us? Should there be a change in our hearts and minds that lead to outward manifestations of fruit in our lives? Should we be constantly learning new truths from the bible? While God wants us to recognize His grace, mercy and love, the bible is a witness to us of the seriousness of sin as well....It is there to show us that the Saviour who loves us so completely is also the Saviour who will one day judge (Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. God never changes..Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.....He is the same God that terrifed the Israelites when He came before them to announce the ten commandments....He hates sin just the same..but He loves people just the same as well. I guess the bottom line is that we each need to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling as the bible says...."Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." God won't look at us as a group...or as a denomination..but He will look at our hearts on a one on one basis....He will know if our intentions were to search all scripture for truth...Then all of the rags of our earthly titles such as sda..pentecostal...vineyard..catholic...will all fall away..and the true character of Christ will be revealed in us. I heard once that there will be three surprises in heaven....Those we won't expect to be there..will be...Those who we expected to be there won't....and the third surprise will be that we will be there ourselves.....which is in line with what Jesus said in Matthew 21:31-46. | ||
| Susan_2 Registered user Username: Susan_2 Post Number: 1258 Registered: 11-2002 |
Dear Truthseeker, As others have said, most on here did not quit Adventism over frivioulas issues or beca use they wanted to be able to party down. This forum has not attracted those who left the SDA for those reasons. Some people take years to see the error of Adventism and leave it behind. Others get out right quick because they are able to see the error. My closest friend, we have known each other 31 years now and we met in Cradel Roll when our oldest children were babies, she was so smart that the day she got bapitized into the SDA church she realized she was making a mistake. During her studies when the SDA "Bible Worker" would come to her house to study each week with her the studies were kept to the Bible and the Bible only. Then about one hour before her bapitizm into the SDA (which is really stupid as she had already been bapitized a Christian but the Bible worker told her she had to totally surrender and be baptized by an Adventist minister) well, anyway, an hour before her bapitism she was preasented with the SDA bapitizmal requirements to sign. She'd never seen those before that minute. She was told to sign it. She told the pastor she wanted to first read what she was signing. She got to the part about alcohol and was appalled! She said to the minister, "By signing this paper does that mean I can't ever drink a beer again?" Now, seriousley, don't you think the Bible worker should have told her those sorts of SDA requirements before getting her to commit herself to SDA bapitism and membership? And, do you want to know what the minister said in response to her querstion? He told her that was the standard SDA bapitizm form and to get bapitized she was expected to sign it but she could still drink all the beer she wanted and do whatever else she wanted. It was just a standard form for new members to sign. Well, she always felt like a skag knowing that she'd signed that she wouldn't drink alcohiol anymore. And, she also knew the Bible does not teach absendence but rather "moderation in all things". So, after two years as an SDA she quit. Also, the Bible worker didn't want her to attenmd the sermon on Saturday mornings until after her bapitism. I'll tell you, John, I can't think of any truly Christian church that would discourage people from visiting. The Bible worker told her it was because she was new into the truth and wouldn't understand what was being said until after becomming a member. I immagine by now you have figured where this story is leading. Yes, my friend had never even heard of Ellen White until AFTER she had become a bapitized member of the SDA church. That organization was founded in deception and deception permeates it at all levels from the very top positions that the church leaders hold on down to the Bible Workers that do the home studies. Now, on to myself. I am in my mid-50's. My moms mom became a SDA in around 1905. My dads parents became SDA in around 1907. I have numerous kin who are in some very good positions within the SDA payroll, mostly at the colleges also though as ministers and at Adventist Health. I was not raised as a fly-by-night Adventist. I was totally seeped in it. Fortunatelly I didn't have to attend much SDA schooling and I attended the local colleges and university but I have numerous kin who have been brainwashed by Adventism all the way from first grade through graduate school. When I was a little girl my aunt used to take me outside and make me look into the sky at the constallation Orion and she would tell me behind Orion is where Jesus is. I would say to her, "How do you know that?" And, with awe in her voice she would answer, "Because Sister White said so." And, isn't that really the case with most everything in SDA'ism? It all comes down to Sister White says so. I liked reading my Bible as a child (in fact, I still do). I would read passages as young as age 11 and in 5th grade that were totally opposite to what I was being tsught in Sabbath School and SDA Academy. I would say what I read to my teachers. The standard line I'd get was that I was a little kid and I didn't undrerstand it but when I grew up I'd understand. Well, actually the opposite happened. The older I got the more I could plainly understand that the SDA church taught the opposite from what I'd read in the Bible on most any topic. I hope this helps you understand a little better "where we're coming from" on here. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 855 Registered: 3-2004 |
The following is from Heb 2:15-21, We who are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners, know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified. If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin! Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed, I prove that I am a lawbreaker. For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteaousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing. Gal 3:6-25 Consider Abraham, He believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness. Understand, then that those who believe are children of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "all nations will be blessed through you". So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written "cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, the righteous will live by faith. The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, the man who does these things will live by them. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree". He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit. Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say and to seeds, meaning many people, but "and to your seed", meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise, but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise. What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator. A mediator, however, does not represent just one party, but God is one. Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe. Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. Again I say, Give me Jesus. He is awesome. Diana | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 7 Registered: 7-2000 |
I now am convinced that "Truthseeker" is indifferent to what any of us have to say. He is posting statements or studies that he has predetermined he will post. This is not a conversation among equals, but a lecture from someone who considers his viewpoint superior to that of anyone else on this forum. I don't like to argue, nor do I choose to talk to brick walls. I am finished with any interaction with Truthseeker until he shows a genuine interest in dialogue with us. I hope he doesn't treat his family and friends this way! | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 856 Registered: 3-2004 |
Truthseeker, What I have learned since I left Adventism is that Jesus makes salvation crystal clear in the Bible. When it is not a salvation issue, it is not crystal clear and people can debate all they want on it and can agree to disagree and enjoy debating. It is done with a spirit of love and care for the others opinion. What I have learned from the Bible is that salvation is loving Jesus, His birth, life, death and resurrection and accepting what he has done for me. It is a gift from God. If Jesus wanted us to continue to keep the sabbath, pay tithe or what ever, the Bible would have been very clear on the subject. The issue of salvation is very clear as I have read in John, Galatians, Hebrews and the other NT books. Again, I say, Give me Jesus. He is awesome. Diana | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 140 Registered: 7-2004 |
John, You had said:
But again you ignore the context of the texts. What are we warned that, if possible, would deceive the very elect? False Christs and false prophets. If I recently joined a church claiming to have prophetic writings that provide truth for these last days, I would study those very hard to determine if they were from a true or false prophet--particularly based on this warning. Many on this forum have done just that and reached the conclusion that EGW is a false prophet. I am convinced that simply coming to that conclusion should be enough to cause someone to run away from SDAism as fast possible. Instead people try to make all kind of excuses like "she isn't the basis for any doctrines" and "you don't here her quoted very often" and "did she really ever call herself a prophet" (btw what do you call someone who says that they have visions?).
These fruits are not the ten commandments. In fact these fruits have been listed for us in Gal 5:22-23.
Reading verses within their larger context is a good starting point. In fact, studying passages and books verse by verse is a much better approach than trying to squeeze together combinations of verses from many different places. I have found that there is little benefit in "knowing" all the doctrines that others have put together trying to make sense of the whole Bible when you compare this with reading Scripture to "know" the Author more. What other people "know" isn't any value to us in that great and wonderful day of His return. I'm not saying this to discount the importance of doctrine, on the contrary I think doctrine is a great bridge (true doctrine) or a great barrier (doctrinal errors) in us coming to "know" our Lord. But knowing doctrine by itself is meaningless.
Our salvation is not based on how diligently we study Scripture to know true doctrine. Our salvation is not based on our efforts PERIOD! It is a gift that we accept graciously and desire to share because of the joy that we have experienced in receiving His gift. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 857 Registered: 3-2004 |
Bob, I do agree with you. No matter what we say or quote from the Bible it appears he is not willing to investigate and that his mind is made up. Let us remember to pray for him. I rememmber how superior I used to think as an SDA even when I could not present my beliefs to others without mentioning the Sabbath. I asked Dennis, before I joined this forum if this was common for ex SDAs and he told me yes, this arrogance is very common. Thank God I no longer need that. Diana | ||
| Ric_b Registered user Username: Ric_b Post Number: 141 Registered: 7-2004 |
Bob, Your observation is so true. When his use of proof texts is challenged by posting the context of the verses, rather than respond he moves on to another subject such as suggesting the we formers left because of "style" differences. Many people responded quite clearly that it wasn't about style so without acknowledging those responses even occurred, Truthseeker has quickly moved on to his next "attack" on formers. The nature of Truthseeker's posts seem to indicate only one purpose for his participation on this forum--to post his pro-SDA propaganda. Whether directed at "winning" us back or at trying to discredit formers to any lurkers I wouldn't know. I think it may be worthwhile to continue to point out his false allegations about formers and his misuse of Scripture simply because these are such common misconceptions and while our answers may be meaningless to Truthseeker, they may be useful to others. | ||
| Flyinglady Registered user Username: Flyinglady Post Number: 858 Registered: 3-2004 |
Hey folks, The scripture I quoted above is supposed to be Galatians 2:15-24 not Hebrews. Sorry about that. Diana | ||
| Bob Registered user Username: Bob Post Number: 8 Registered: 7-2000 |
He might as well be a bot [robot], for all the personal interaction that we see! The SDA chatroom on Yahoo has two or three "Davidian SDA" bots that operate there continually. | ||
| Dd Registered user Username: Dd Post Number: 280 Registered: 7-2004 |
Diana, Bob and Ric (and all my other "former" friends), It's all about standing up for Jesus. We will never change John's (our anyone else's) mind. No one could change mine either. It is only through the willingness of our own spirit/mind to be led by the Holy Spirit. I respond to John only to stand up for what I have been led to see through Scripture (not what someone else tells me). It is my hope, in standing up for God's Word, that another may see Jesus as their "religion", High Priest, Sanctuary, Sacrifice, New Covanant...I am proud to stand up for Him along side all you good folk!  |
