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Jeremy
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Post Number: 226
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 5:07 pm: |     |
I found a list with supposedly "102 ways to define SDAs You might be a Seventh-day Adventist if . . ." It appears to be an Australian version. Here it is (you have to scroll down the page a little ways): http://www.tagnet.org/adventist.fm/youth/humor2.htm
Jeremy |
Colleentinker
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Post Number: 1197
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 5:22 pm: | |
This is so funny--(this seems to be "old Adventist quirks" day!...)
I never even knew the third little piggie ate roast beef until--well, for years, anyway. I learned that he ate bread and butter! When I first heard someone say "roast beef" I immediately thought they had been taught wrong...
Oh, did any of you learn the Christmas song "Sleigh Ride" with altered words? There's a place that (I can't quite remember all the words) "There's a feeling that no money in the world can buy/When they pass around the coffee and some pumpkin pie..."
When I was a kid, we sang that passage differently. The second phrase went something like this: ..."When we see the sprigs of holly and the pumpkin pie..."
I also remember the feeling I had, when I heard the real version on the radio, that it was worldly and somehow "bad".
Wow. Everything was Advent-ized! |
Raven
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Post Number: 156
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 6:14 pm: | |
Talk about everything being Adventized...this evening, my daughter was discussing the Sally Dick and Jane books she had recently seen advertized (they're making a come-back) and recalled reading old ones back in Kindergarten at her non-SDA Grandma's house. I told her I had grown up on those books, but we had special SDA ones. Do you remember when Sally was worried about being ready for Jesus to come and so she packed a suitcase? I think there was one on Dick learning about tithe, and another one about preparing for Sabbath. Also, I think the pictures were redone to remove any jewelry. |
Susan_2
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Post Number: 1303
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 6:31 pm: | |
Esther, My JW in-law children are being raised to be extremely fearful of most anyone and anything. The list would inlude but is not limited to-anyone who claims to be a Christan, anyone who claims to not be a Christian (those two alone eliminate everyone from their turst except ofthe JW's), also other JW's because they know if they are ever seen doing anything against the JW rules they wil be told on and brought before the elders for review (JW's are very fearful of being brought before the JW elders or review), Armageddon, doctors because they might be given a blood transfusion, higher education (JW's are not supposed to attend school past high school), any and all government authorities (This does not include the welfare and food stamp departments. They love those governmental agencies.), the flag, anything to do with any holiday or birthday, 2-door cars (JW's are supposed to have 4-door cars. This is so more people can tag along for their door knocking outings.), the cross or any other symbols of Christianity, anything patriotic, watching the tv news or reading the newspapers (My JW sister-in-law tells her grandkids Jehovahs organzation will screen the news and let them know what is acceptable. Poor kids, they have current events classes at school and they get totally freeded out.), well, just about everything. I honestly think it is child abuse to raise a child JW. However, we have the freedom in this country to be emotionally abusive to our children if it is in the name of religion. From reading our stories on this very discussion forum I have come to the conclusion that many of us on here are adults carrying the baggage of emotional abuse all in the gise of religious teaching. Sometimes I am not even surprised that so many who were raised in the initial religions (SDA, JW, LDS) just grow up atheists. It is just good to know that God knows each of us even better than we know ourselves and that He is a just and merciful god. That is very comforting. |
Flyinglady
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Post Number: 906
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 8:19 pm: | |
I learned all the fairy tales and this little piggy as a kid. My Mom did not forbid us. In fact she used to tell me some of the fairy tales. Either she did not know EGW said not to or she did not care.
I was the type of Mother who followed through on reading lots of EGW and I did not read my son Fairy tales. I did teach him this little piggy.
I did not tell him about Santa Claus. On Christmas eve I read him the story of Jesus birth. I started this when he was born. I read to him from the Bible as a baby. I also read him stories from the "Little Friend". But when he started reading I took him to the library and he started checking books out that he liked and I did not mind as long as they had a good story. God has been good to me and, as I have said before, started pulling me away from adventism a long time ago. I am so thankful He redeems all my past. He is awesome.
Diana |
Susan_2
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Post Number: 1307
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 9:01 pm: | |
My mom told me the Grimm stories. Their origional way. The big, bad wolf eats the grandma and the woodcutter comes along and slits open the wolfs tummy and saves the grandma. The German and Russian faitytails are very gruesome. Even the rhyme Ring Around The Rosie, which goes back to the famine in Ireland has a gruesome story behind it. The one I always totally hated was the one where the big, bad wolf eats the sweet, little gingerbread by. My heebee-geebee aunt would quiz me if I was eating or drinking this or that or reading this or that. I was very young when I leaned to avoid her. Funny thing though is my other aunt, heebee-jeebee's sister was my favorite aunt. She also was SDA but totally different than Heebee-Jeebee. On Saturdays at my favorite aunts house she would get out the bikes and the bb guns and us kids would have a ball chasing each other around on the bikes shooting each other. And, they were both SDA. |
Belvalew
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Post Number: 95
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 12:00 am: | |
Lone Viking, I believe this is the list you were referring to. I still get a giggle out of it reading it, at least after I shudder then praise God that I have stepped away from these things.
You Know You Are/Were SDA If:
You pronounce "Adventist" as "AD-ventist", not "ad-VEN-tist".
Your "Little Friend" wasn't a person.
Your bedtime stories were about real people instead of fairy tales.
You had an Uncle Arthur, Uncle Dan, and Aunt Sue and were amazed to find out that all your friends in Sabbath School did too.
You think of kids instead of cars when you hear the term Pathfinder.
You can remember what the letters "MV" and JMV" stand for.
You have a board somewhere in your attic with a bunch of knots glued to it.
You wondered if the earth would last long enough to have a girlfriend/boyfriend.
Parenthood held many nasty surprises because you really believed Uncle Arthur when he said, "and he never disobeyed again."
You know HMS as a name, not a ship.
You know how to play poker with Bible Authors cards and Wheat Thins.
You know how to play Rook but not Bridge or Hearts.
You have looked for angels outside of a movie theater.
On Saturdays you catch yourself telling your children, "You can wade, but don't swim."
The word "Philistine" has a meaning in current terminology.
Your tie falls in your soup because you don't wear a tie tack.
The Review is not a full military dress inspection.
You agreed to sing so you wouldn't have to solicit.
Saturday Night Live had meaning before the TV program.
You read labels on cans years before nutritional labeling was available.
You saved labels off of cans years before recycling became fashionable.
You have asked for a Veggie-Whopper at Burger King.
You take more time at the Taco Bell counter than the last six customers.
You take a helping of Nuteena because you like it, not out of courtesy.
You can tell the difference between Linkettes and Vegelinks with your eyes closed.
You know 101 ways to prepare FriChik.
You have more than twelve uses for soybeans.
You can stack 3000 calories on a plate at a church potluck.
Your guilt trip ended the day Nabisco started using vegetable shortening in Oreos.
You May Have Gone To A SDA Boarding School If:
You know all the basic square dance steps but only know how to execute them to march music.
Your high school principal was an expert on female hemlines.
You rolled down your skirt on the way to the principal's office.
Your Friday night date was to Vespers.
You went to banquets instead of dances or proms.
You were called out of class to clean your room.
You can grill cheese sandwiches on the bottom of an iron.
You learned how to study in the dark after lights out.
You've seen "Sound of Music" with a hand in front of the projector during the kissing scenes.
You have been to movies during which the lights came on periodically for a hand check.
You knew who was engaged by asking the time.
You couldn't dance at school parties, but passing an orange under the neck was a non-sensual activity.
The only time you could hold hands was while roller-skating in the gym.
The other side of campus was no-man/woman's land.
You know what MCC stands for.
You took cinnamon rolls back to the dorm on Friday afternoon.
You have referred to high school as academy.
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Loneviking
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| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 12:15 am: | |
That's it! Thank you!!! |
Susan_2
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Post Number: 1312
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 9:00 am: | |
OK, A question I have wanted answered for at least 40 years but no one has been able to gve me the answer, and I have asked numerous SDA this and none of them know the reason. How come it is ok for an Adventist to play Rook but not poker or other card games? Is is because EGW liked playing Rook? That's the only think I can come up with but that is only speculation. |
Ric_b
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Post Number: 159
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 9:08 am: | |
Rook uses a vege-cards. Since they don't have the traditional suits (hearts, spades...) they aren't really playing cards (in the letter-based, legalistic minds of some). |
Susan_2
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Post Number: 1314
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 10:21 am: | |
My SDA kin were all jazzed and happy when UNO came out. Finily there was another card game they could play on Saturday nights. |
Belvalew
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Post Number: 96
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 11:45 am: | |
I was told that the regular playing cards were not allowed because of the face cards--the king would represent God, the queen would represent Mary, and I'm not sure whether it was the Jacks or the Jokers that were supposed to represent Jesus. Anyway, a "true Christian" would never even want to thouch such unsacred representations of holy persons. |
Freeatlast
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Post Number: 258
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| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 12:11 pm: | |
I was told it is because traditional playing cards represent the sin of gambling and might tempt us to go into a casino or "gambling hall". Other card games don't so they're OK. |
Chris
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Post Number: 533
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| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 12:37 pm: | |
The explanation I grew up with was the same one Feeatlast states, the connection of regular cards to gambling. However, if SDAs were really going to follow EGW's counsel, they would be playing any kind of frivolous games of any sort.
Chris |
Lydell
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| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 8:06 pm: | |
As weird as all this past stuff has been, I still think we are all way better off than the former Amish. You should check out their sites. Really sad stuff. I read one message where a guy finally had enough and walked away from the church the day he bought his first house. His father showed up with a saw to cut off his countertop in the new house. It seems it was 9 feet long and it was only allowed to be 8 feet long by decree of the community. Really, think of leaving the Amish....only an 8th grade education and not any inkling whatsoever of how life is lived in the rest of the world. |
Thomas1
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Post Number: 155
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| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 9:07 pm: | |
Also from "back in time" ( I saved them both )
You were probably raised SDA if; part II
You had to put food back at a family dinner, because it came from ìthe wrong dishî.
You thought eating a hot dog was a mortal sin.
You thought Bowling was a sin.
You were surprised to find that the book of Ellen White was not in the Bible.
You took ìBibleî classes for 12 ñ 16 years in schoolÖ..and rarely ever opened one.
You waited in line for an hour for the sun to go down on Saturday, so the staff could open the doors to the ìBook and Bible houseî at Camp Meeting and you could stock up on your yearís supply of ìhealthî food. (It always opened exactly 1/2 hour after ìsundownî.)
You thought that Del Delker and the Kingís Heralds were Top 40 artists.
You were the only family you knew who didnít have a television.
You were an adult before you realized that the ìRadio/Phonographî could be used for more than playijg ìChapel Recordsî.
Everyone nervously waited for the sun to go down so they could do ìsomethingî.
You knew what the terms ìOffshootî and ìBack-sliderî meant.
You wondered why there were no ìblackî people in your church.
You did not know what the local Ball scores were, or who was President, but you could tell the ìsundownî to the minute in three different time zones.
When you read the Bible through for he first time you were shocked to find that the texts you had learned didnít say what you thought they had said, when you put them back into context.
The family vacation was always in July, when you went to camp meeting and lived in a tent and went to meetings all day.
You know what ìCPísî wearing Pith helmets were.
There were divisions in the church between the ìThese Timesî and the ìSigns of the Timesî readers.
You thought ìBible Studiesî always came on film strips and featured scary animals and images.
You went home and hid because you found out the friend you had just met in the neighborhood was a Catholic and you had told him you were and Adventist. You were sure he would ìreportî so ìtheyî would know which house to come to when the Persecution started.
You remember your parents talking in hushed towns with worried looks on their faces, the night that John Kennedy was elected.
You thought EVERY kid had to leave home when they were 13 and go away to school.
You know what ìtaste killerî is. (Ketchup)
You know what the terms ìsocial boundî and ìcampus boundî are.
You thought everyone ìdatedî by meeting at the Gymnasium and talking or playing games. Never holding hands or otherwise touching. And of course, NEVER kissing!
You knew what a ìDeanî and ìHall monitorsî were.
As a girl, you ever had to kneel to make sure your skirt touched the floor.
You believed the perfect source of protein was the bean, or the nut.
You know what ìmissionary contactî cards are.
You could read your lesson quarterly for the whole week and never crack a Bible.
The most serious argument to be offered in any situation was ìIn the Testamonies, Sr. White saidÖÖ..î. It Settled ALL disputes.
You grew up believing that the ìTruthî and Adventism were different words meaning the same thing. (He joined the ìTruthî. Letís pray that they will come to the ìTruthî. Etc.)
And last but not least:
You have lived in the same neighborhood all of your life and do not know anyone your own age unless they are Adventist, too.
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Colleentinker
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 10:58 am: | |
Oh, Thomas--your list completely captures the Adventism I grew up with! Your last one is especially revealing--and true.
And that idea about "truth" meaning "Adventism"--Adventist specializes in using all the right words (and Bible texts) to say and mean something compleltey different from Christians.
I just saw part of a Lonnie Melashanko Bible study on the law on the internet--it was so upsetting I wanted to cry. At the end he had a call--not to Jesus, but a call to commit oneself to accepting God's regulations and rules for holy living so one could experience a rich, full life.
Sigh.
Colleen |
Belvalew
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 11:49 am: | |
Please forgive me for telling a joke here, because what Colleen has said about Lonnie Melashanko is, indeed, not funny, but I simply had to share this one with you -- it is old. It spotlights some of the pettiness we have all experienced
Back in the 70's it was not uncommon to have a lot of protest marches and placards on campuses across America. On one campus there would be groups marching with signs saying "Equal rights for women." On another would be a group demanding that we "End Aparteid Now!"
Not to be outdone the students at PUC decided to have a protest march of their own, so on a specified Sunday they marched the campus with placards saying "Shorts On Campus!" |
Carol_2
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 5:54 pm: | |
Thomas, your list was right on target! I'm sure it helps our "never been sda" family on the forum better understand us!
The one about JFK's election reminded me of something....I may have shared this before. I remember when Jimmy Carter was elected I was quite young and didn't understand much about politics. However, I knew he was Christian, and NOT sda, so I was sure he would enforce Sunday laws. I was on a trip with a cousin & uncle (non-sda) and in the backseat of the car, and heard the news of Carter's election on the radio. I can remember pretending to sleep, but just crying to myself, knowing my non-sda kin wouldn't understand. I was terrified and silently crying, knowing the end was near and I was lost because I wasn't "good."
As our dear Diana always says, Thank God...He is awesome. Look where He has brought us!!!! |
Susan_2
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 6:34 pm: | |
It's so sad that SDA's are so fearful of Christians. And, it's even more sad when this fearfullness is so deeply instilled into the children. |
Flyinglady
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 9:29 pm: | |
I have read "you know you are SDA if.." and could have laughed and cried. Laughed because they are ridiculous and cried, because they are so true. It is good when we can recognize the ridiculous and laugh about it. If I could not I would get very angry. But I have no reason to get angry now. God pulled me out of there and, as Colleen has said, has redeemed all my past.
Which brings me to something that happened tonight at church. My church has 1 service on Saturday evening and 3 on Sunday morning. I volunteer at the Saturday evening meeting by welcoming people as they come in the door and directing those who need help to where they need to go. After the service the volunteers meet in guest central and wait for people who want to know more about the church and tell them how they can sign up for Starting Point (like the Alpha course at the AoG church). A family walked in and were brought to me. I introduced myself and the Father says they are Mormon. So I say that is nice, it does not matter. I forget his next comment, but it must have been significant, because I then told him I understood as I had been raised SDA. His eyes lit up and he said he understood what we both have been through. God does redeem our past. He is bringing his family to our church and they want to come. They signed up for Starting Point which is to begin 1/22. God, by letting me go through being an SDA, has given me a better understanding of Mormons, Catholics and others who have been in a cult like belief. God truly does redeem our past, as I saw happen tonight. He is awesome.
I have to tell you where I got that. We sing a song at church about how awesome God is and it just stuck with me. I cannot help but tell everyone that God is awesome. He cannot be described or understood, but He is awesome. When I see how He redeems my past, He is awesome. He is awesome in all He does and I feel so unworthy of Him.
Diana |
Bob
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 10:16 pm: | |
Diana, I am a decision counselor at Crossroads Christian Church, and I have discovered that at least two of the other counselors are former Mormons, and another couple who are both counselors have JW relatives. My testimony about leaving Adventism has helped clarify for the other counselors that SDAs are indeed a cult. Before I joined them, they had the idea it was just another "slightly different" Christian church.
Bob |
Flyinglady
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 10:38 pm: | |
Bob, what is a decision counselor? I think I know, but please clarify it so I can be sure. I am signing up for a 5 week course about being "Becoming a Contagious Christian" and a 9 week course on the book of Revelation. I also want to buy some books about the beliefs of the SDA church for our church library. Which ones would you recommend?
It is interesting that Bob, the man who is in charge of the Welcoming program, knows about SDAs. He works in banking and had an SDA minister as a customer. Of course the minister tried to get him to visit the SDA church. Bob never did, but they discussed the Bible a lot. Bob told the minister he was badly deceived or something to that effect. Bob learned a lot about SDAs.
Some of the ministers in my church just think that the SDAs are another Christian church. I do not like that and want to correct them. So I pray about it and when and if God wants me to do anything, He will lead me. I want to tell everyone about what SDAs really believe. Please pray for me. I want to do what God wants me to do.
He is awesome.
Diana |
Bob
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 11:03 pm: | |
Diana, decision counselors are lay people who are trained to talk with and pray with any individuals who come forward in response to a pastor's invitation to them to accept Jesus. Our pastor gives invitations after the sermon frequently, almost weekly. We take those who come forward to the prayer room, and we make sure they understand what it means to become a Christian. And, of course, we pray with them. If they wish to be baptized, and do not have a friend of family member to do it, a counselor may baptize them. We also are in charge of scheduling and assisting with the baptisms.
Often people come to the prayer room on their own for prayer, or to seek support in a trial they are going through. We pray with them and put them in contact with other resources offered by the church to meet their needs, such as professional counselors, or support groups for those fighting some kind of addiction.
I recommend Dale Ratzlaf's books and Greg Taylor's book, if you want to give the church books. I gave books directly to our senior pastor. That opened the way for other conversations with him, and now he refers people to me if they have questions about Adventism. |
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