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Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 668
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 8:23 pm: |     |
Yeah, they like to talk about "using God's power" (to help us keep the Law "in His power"), but they don't like to focus on the indwelling Holy Spirit and walking by the Spirit. Maybe because the Bible contrasts keeping the Law with walking by the Spirit? Also, walking by the Spirit would mean you are obeying HIM, rather than the Law.
And they can't have that...
Jeremy
P.S. My previous post in this thread was post number 666 for me, hehe! Well, the quote I posted is certainly evil/satanic...
(Message edited by jeremy on May 16, 2005) |
Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 302
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 8:58 pm: | |
Jeremy, 666 or not, please keep up the great research you do for all of us. Thanks again, Stan |
Heretic
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Username: Heretic
Post Number: 93
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 9:44 pm: | |
I echo Stan's sentiments. Jeremy, you're a great resource.
Heretic |
Dennis
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Username: Dennis
Post Number: 389
Registered: 4-2000
| | Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005 - 10:47 pm: | |
Thank you, Jeremy for your EGW research. Oh yes, where is the quote from EGW about those living in Artic areas should move to more temperate zones to enable Sabbath-keeping?
Dennis J. Fischer |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 671
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 4:04 pm: | |
Dennis, here is what EGW wrote:
quote:God rested on the seventh day, and set it apart for man to observe in honor of His creation of the heavens and the earth in six literal days. He blessed and sanctified and made holy the day of rest. When men are so careful to search and dig to see in regard to the precise period of time, we are to say, God made His Sabbath for a round world; and when the seventh day comes to us in that round world, controlled by the sun that rules the day, it is the time, in all countries and lands, to observe the Sabbath. In the countries where there is no sunset for months, and again no sunrise for months, the period of time will be calculated by records kept. But God has a world large enough, and proper and right for the human beings He has created to inhabit it, without finding homes in those lands so objectionable in very many, many ways.
The Lord accepts all the obedience of every creature He has made, according to the circumstances of time in the sun-rising and sun-setting world. Obedience is the test; and all this plowing into the intricacy of the precise minutes and hours of the Sabbath--it is the test of man's obedience to honor and glorify God. To sin, or transgression of His law, God will prove a consuming fire. The Sabbath observance is "a sign between Me and you throughout your generations forever."--Letter 167, 1900, pp. 1, 2.
(To G. A. Irwin, March 23, 1900.)
White Estate
Washington, D. C.
Dec. 2, 1982
(Manuscript Releases, Volume Twelve, page 159, paragraphs 1-2.)
There may be something else, but that is all that I was able to find.
Notice that she thinks it's absurd to care about the precise hours of the Sabbath--so I guess it's ok to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?
Jeremy
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Helovesme2
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Username: Helovesme2
Post Number: 200
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 4:40 pm: | |
Wow!
I'd just returned from a part of Alaska about 20 or so miles north of the Arctic Circle when I met a church leader (of the SDA Reform Movement) who was visiting my parents. I asked him about vegetarianism in Alaska (which is possible if you work at it by the way) and told him a bit about my time living there.
His abrupt response was that humans weren't created to live that far north.
I always thought that was his own biased and baseless opinion. Now I see that biased or not, it was not baseless!
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Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 1978
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 4:45 pm: | |
Great assessment, Mary!
One point that jumped out at me from the quote above, Jeremy, is that Ellen said God made the Sabbath for a round world. Well, what about heaven? What about the supposed seven day trek to heaven during which we will celebrate Sabbath? Is heaven a round world?
Hmmmm...
Colleen |
Riverfonz
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Username: Riverfonz
Post Number: 305
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 4:58 pm: | |
I think Sabbatarianism as practiced by EGW, and other strict observant SDAs, where you build a whole system on disobedience to Romans 14, and you build a whole system on the one commandment of the Decalogue that is not mentioned in even one of the epistles as being important--says it all about what a cultic system means. Statements like that one above Jeremy, are absolutely ridiculous! Thanks for sharing.
Stan |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 672
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 5:43 pm: | |
Here are some interesting excerpts from the SDA 1919 Bible Conference, regarding EGW's "health reform" counsels:
quote:A. G. Daniells: [...] We had a ministers' meeting over in Scandinavia, and we had one man there from the "land of the midnight sun," up in Hammerfest where you never grow a banana or an apple or a peach, and hardly even a green thing. It is snow and cold there nearly all the time, and the people live to a large extent on fish and various animal foods that they get there. We had sent a nurse from Christiania up there as a missionary. He had the strict idea of the diet according to the Testimonies, and he would not touch a fish or a bit of reindeer, nor any kind of animal food, and he was getting poor; because missionaries that are sent out do not have much money, and they cannot import fresh fruits; and it was in the days when even canned goods were not shipped much. The fellow nearly starved to death. He came down to attend that meeting, and he was nearly as white as your dress [speaking to Sister Williams]. He had hardly any blood in his body. I talked to him, and I said, "Brother Olson, what is the matter with you? We will have to bring you away from up there if you do not get better. You have no red blood corpuscles in your blood." I talked with him a while, and finally asked him, "What do you live on?"
"Well," he said, "I live a good deal on the north wind."
I said, "You look like it, sure enough."
We went on talking, and I found out that the man wasn't eating much but potatoes and starchy foods, - just a limited dietary. I went at him with all the terror I could inspire for such foolishness.
Voice:Did you make any impression?
A. G. Daniells: Yes, I did. And I got other brethren to join me. We told that man he would be buried up there if he tried to live that way. We talked with him straight about it.
When I got back to this country I talked with Sister White about it, and she said, "Why don't the people use common sense? Why don't they know that we are to be governed by the places we are located?" You will find in a little testimony a caution thrown out, modifying the extreme statements that were made.
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A. G. Daniells: [...] I do not think proper caution was used in putting out some of these things, and I have told Sister White so.
Mrs. Williams: You mean in publishing them?
A .G. Daniells: Yes, when they were written. I told Sister White that it seems to me that if conditions in the arctic regions and in the heart of China and other places had been taken into account, some of those things would have been modified. "Why," she said, "yes, if the people are not going to use their judgment, then of course we will have to fix it for them."
--http://www.bible.ca/7-1919-sda-conference.htm
Jeremy |
Dt
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Post Number: 41
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 7:28 pm: | |
Here we are again. We are still waiting for a guide as to when to take which part for what application in a manner to suit the occasion or circumstances. Makes sense to me. |
Melissa
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Post Number: 886
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 8:49 pm: | |
But doesn't she condemn people, on the other hand, for not taking seriously or literally what she has written? She has an answer for anything it would seem...even though it contradicts the answer for something else... |
Dt
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Post Number: 42
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 9:48 pm: | |
That's the beauty of it. Everyone else is always wrong, even if they are using her words.
It's good to be the profit...er.. prophet. |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 1988
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 10:55 am: | |
I'm afraid that you've accurately summed up the situation, Dt. Millions of people have staked their salvation on words printed for profit--and because of Ellen's double-talk, no one who honors her feels free to ignore her.
Give me the Bible!
Colleen
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Flyinglady
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Post Number: 1514
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 8:03 pm: | |
Amen, Amen, Amen. Give me the Bible and Jesus.
Diana |
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