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Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 1492
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 11:58 am: |     |
Hi Mwh,
What I meant was that before the Fall, Adam and Eve's diet consisted of fruit and seeds, but not vegetables. Genesis 1:29-30 says:
"Then God said, 'Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food'; and it was so." (NASB.)
So God gave vegetables ("every green plant") to the animals, but not to Adam and Eve.
Then, after the Fall, God added vegetables to man's diet:
"Cursed is the ground because of you;
In toil you will eat of it
All the days of your life.
18'Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you;
And you will eat the plants of the field;" (Genesis 3:17-18 NASB.)
Then, after the Flood, God added meat (all meats) to man's diet:
"Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant." (Genesis 9:3 NASB.)
So, it seems that He's saying that He is adding meat to man's diet in the same way that He added the green plants in Genesis 3. So one is just as "valid" as the other for food.
But if the SDAs really want to go back to the original diet before sin, then they couldn't eat vegetables--only fruit and seeds.
Jeremy
EDIT: It looks like I was posting at the same time as Colleen. 
(Message edited by jeremy on September 12, 2006) |
Grace_alone
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Username: Grace_alone
Post Number: 191
Registered: 6-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 2:39 pm: | |
...And I'd like to add, Linketts and nuteena are NOT included in that original diet either.
Hehe!
Colleen and Jeremy, thanks for clearing up the "original diet" issue. I never really thought of it before, and of course never had an answer to the "God never intended us to eat meat" proclamation. But now I do!
Leigh Anne |
Tisha
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Username: Tisha
Post Number: 185
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 2:53 pm: | |
My ex-in-laws believed in only eating fruits and seeds. They were very careful about understanding just what was what so they would come as close as they possibly could to being translated! I was constantly "counselled" on what I should be feeding, and NOT feeding my family. I was to grind seeds, and serve that and fruit, and we even had goats so we could make our own milk, chees, butter, etc. Then we had to make our own goat cheese-nut patties, etc, so we didn't eat any contaminated worldly foodds! We grew and canned everything. But since the family business was BEES and HONEY, lots of honey was OK but NO sugar. Brewers yeast on popcorn is about the only thing I really love from those days! The other thing was the dress requirements! Long dresses, but not to the ground because then they would be contaminated! Try gardening, milking goats, working with bees in dresses!! Boy am I glad all that is behind me.
I've seen all kinds of "cures" - some good, some horrible, seen my ex-husband's relatives die from lack of medical care, seen suicides from not being able to live up to expectations, seen children run away, turn to drugs, end up in prison. What kind of "truth" leads to all that?
It was so hard, because I didn't believe in all that, my husband didn't stand up for me, and we lived and worked together as one BIG family - sort of like a commune. So I went between doing my own thing and being shunned, or conforming and feeling oppressed. Thank God we eventuallly got away from that. While I continued searching for truth, my husband just quit all religion and eventually left us. But through it all, God kept me searching and I finally found the TRUTH! Not the SDA truth but the Gospel Truth! |
Grace_alone
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Username: Grace_alone
Post Number: 193
Registered: 6-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 3:26 pm: | |
Tisha,
Your ex's-in-law sound like the kind of people who would've really been threatened by Jesus, like the Pharisees. I tell my husband once in a while that I believe that the SDA church is a very pharisaical church. Like you literally have to become a Jew in order to become a believer. I'm sorry that your husband left, but happy for you that you're out of that situation. God NEVER intended for us to live like that! |
Honestwitness
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Username: Honestwitness
Post Number: 131
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 7:54 pm: | |
There seem to be varying "degrees" of Adventism. At one end of the spectrum are the ones who differ only a little from mainstream Christianity, and at the other end are the very radical Adventists like your ex-in-laws, Tisha. I wonder if anyone has ever listed the various levels of SDA philosophy and lifestyle practices. You know how the Masons have different degrees of involvement and training? I'd like to see a list of the degrees of Adventism.
Honestwitness |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 4603
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 11:02 pm: | |
Interesting question, HonestWitness. I have long believed that Adventism will ultimately either lead one into mental illness or spin one off into agnosticism. If one really believes, at some deep level, that Adventism is The Truth, then one only has a couple of options: attempt to live it fully and perfectly (which will ultimately lead to mental illness pursued to its logical end) or give up and refuse to try at all.
If a person gives up and refuses to try while retaining the belief (or even the suspicion) that it is actually Biblical truth, that person will not be able to worship at any other church or embrace any other Christian teaching. They can always run back when the national Sunday law shows signs of going into effect. In the meantime, they ignore their cognitive dissonance and pretend religion doesn't matter.
If by some miracle an Adventist truly hears the gospel and embraces Jesus, that is what prevents him or her from polarizing at the extreme ends. If they really do find Jesus, however, He will continue to make them uncomfortable until they act on the truth and begin to deal with their Adventism. This "dealing with Adventism" can take years, but if the person continues to take steps, even baby steps, toward knowing Jesus more fully, He will bring them into greater and greater freedom.
Adventism is Adventismóbut "newbies" don't know as much about it as do those who grew up in it. They get the shocking reality AFTER they join!
All Adventists are bound by the spirit of deceptionósome just make "mental deals" with themselves and live with the cognitive dissonance.
Colleen |
Pheeki
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Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 814
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 12:56 pm: | |
Tisha...I too have seen a suicide from trying to be perfect and live up to Ellen's standards! I have seen lots and lots of mental illness around Keene (SDA ghetto) and I believe SDAism caused it! Let's call SDAism what it is...the doctrine of demons! |
Bb
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Username: Bb
Post Number: 139
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 3:33 pm: | |
On a light note, there is a hilarious Frasier episode where Niles had a heart attack, and Frasier says "come on in and have some soysages and facon". My husband who was never adventist thinks that is so funny because he has heard about "wham and vegelinks" from me for years. |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 2374
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 10:10 pm: | |
When I was a kid the jingle for Oscar Meyer weiners went like this: "Oh, I wish I was an Oscar Meyer weiner, that is what I truly want to be. Because if I was an Oscar Meyer weiner then everybody'd be in love with me. "But the SDA kids sang the jingle, "Oh, I wish I was a Loma Linda Linkette, that is what I truly want to be. Because if I was a Loma Linda Linkette then all the Advents would be in love with me." Oh, the memories... |
Timmy
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Username: Timmy
Post Number: 29
Registered: 8-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 8:43 am: | |
Tisha, My wifes cousin went down that path with his family, moved to the mountains and the whole nine yards. He wouldn't eat anything dairy or animal byproduct. They even seperated themselfs from other SDAs because they didn't want their kids to be influenced by them. He was a bright man, an RN, fun to be arround and made everybody laugh. After his "transition" he never smiled, he always seemed depressed, even angry. He ended up having a nervous breakdown, lost his job, quit churching but still tried to "comply." Then one day he was killed in a car accident. My wife and I think that God in his mercy took him before the cult screwed him up any more. At the funeral, my wife told his young children that they would see their daddy in heaven someday. With this my wife was reprimanded and was told not to give the kids "false hope!"
Now it is very clear to me that the SDAs that try the hardest to comply with all the "stuff" are the ones with the least security of salvation. Wouldn't you think if it was the "truth" that the opposite would be true???
"You shall know them by their fruits."
Tim |
Tisha
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Username: Tisha
Post Number: 187
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 12:53 pm: | |
Tim - my ex's family did eventually become vegan, and they also left the SDA church because "it had become Babylon". They really thought they were "holier" somehow. They too moved to the mountains, stocked up guns and food and got ready to defend themselves against the "end times". So much for Faith!! Almost all of them became really screwed up one way or another, or dead! The folowing generations are still impacted by all this and are having their own dificulties. I wish I could reach out to the younger ones - but I am seen as the enemy now. I can only pray that the cycle will be broken and they can come to know the peace of truly knowing God and having the assurance of Salvation through Jesus Christ.
I'm so glad I escaped before my children were old enough to be caught up into that. However, they still have that side of the family for relatives! They are good kids, but they are wary of "religion", and who can blame them! So, I pray daily that they will come to know Jesus and accept Him into their lives. |
Colleentinker
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Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 4613
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 2:51 pm: | |
God is faithful, Tisha. Yes, the "mental illness" side of the scale is real. Think David Koresh, for instance...
Colleen |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 2378
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 8:02 pm: | |
There is an Adventist 'commune' in Tennessee somewhere. My SDA kin refer to it as an Adventist spin-off cult. It actually is registured with the state as a private mobil home community however to live there except for the dwellings themselves (the mobil homes) most everything is held in common and done communially. It is historic EGW all the way. You have to be vegan to even get to live there, etc. I understand that because the Korean government won't allow such communes to exist that this place in Tennessee is mostly populated by Korean SDA diehard EGWites who have emigrated to the US so they could live there. Does anyone else know about this place? Is it another Waco type of looney bin? |
U2bsda
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Username: U2bsda
Post Number: 419
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 8:29 pm: | |
You know you grew up Adventist if you know what wiggle-waggle scissors are |
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