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Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 20
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 3:33 pm: |     |
The "soy is a complete protein" argument is a myth.
"Myth: Soy foods provide complete protein.
Truth: Like all legumes, soy beans are deficient in sulfur-containing amino acids methionine and cystine. In addition, modern processing denatures fragile lysine."--http://www.westonaprice.org/myths_truths/myths_truths_soy.html
When the soy is processed into fake meats, etc. the protein that it does have becomes difficult to digest.
I am a member of Voluntary Online Adventist Forum (they haven't kicked me off yet!), and I posted the quotes about animal organs in the brain a few days ago there. Here are a couple responses that I got:
quote:"Jeremy, thanks for providing the quote where EGW uses the terminology, 'animal organs of the brain.'
This is nothing to get alarmed about as many terms, common in her day, are no longer commonly used. We need to translate these terms into modern lingo so that they can be understood by people today. It is basically the same thing that goes on when we translate the Bible from Greek and Hebrew into English or when we translate the Conflict of the Ages Series into Arabic or Mongolian.
A great deal of this sort of translating work needs to be done to make Ellen White's writings understandable in the 21st century. If we don't do this, her writings will become of little benefit to contemporary people.
Human beings do not have animal brains. Were she living now, of course, Ellen White would recognize that. She would not use that sort of terminology if she were writing today. We cannot blame her for the terminology she used any more than we would blame a Korean for speaking Korean instead of English. We just need to translate her writings into modern English."
quote:"Jeremy, obviously you do not understand, she was not saying that we had literal animal brain parts, but we do have portions of the brain that can act like a animal. The serial killers and other have shown that. Again Ellen G. White is correct and the nay sayers are wrong. If the prophet of our church is telling lies we have very little to stand on as Adventist. Jeremy you animal!!!!!!"
Jeremy |
Dd
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Username: Dd
Post Number: 159
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 7:47 pm: | |
Hey Jeremy, you animal you! Take it as a compliment! And the writer of your last quote was right on...there is very little to stand on if you are an Adventist who believes in EGW!
Have a good weekend, my friend! |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 22
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 8:47 pm: | |
Dd,
Hehe. I actually did laugh at that comment of his. Quite funny.
Jeremy |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 23
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 8:51 pm: | |
I just have to add that this comment is also quite hilarious: "Human beings do not have animal brains. Were she living now, of course, Ellen White would recognize that."
ROFLOL!
Uh, and she couldn't have recognized that then? Didn't she have a Bible?? Wow, it's amazing the lengths they'll go to to defend her!
Jeremy |
Susan_2
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Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 997
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 9:28 pm: | |
Jeremy, I just got off from that Voluntary Adventist Forum you mentioned above. I also linked then to the Remnant website forum from the Voluntary forum. I think one of the posters on there might be a cousin of mine. This person has the same first and last names of a cousin of mine. I won't say the name on here but it is one of the more spun, super, die-hard SDA's that posts on there. I never knew there was such radicals. I had never looked at a SDA forum before just a few minutes ago. I doubt if I ever will again. If gives me the creeps. These people actually refer to EGW as "The Spirit of Prophecy". I'll bet they even keep a stright face whle typing that out. When I hear or read that term in reference to EGW it seems blasphamous to me. You now, I am a member of a Lutheran church. Never would a Lutheran even consider using a term like that when referring to Martin Luther. I might be glad I spent some time reading those websites though because it totally convinced me that the SDA organization is not Christian. They can claim to be Christian but we all know that does not make an organization Christian just because it claims to be Christian. They can even have some beliefs that fit with Christianty. But, again, some beliefs that blend with Christianity does not make an organization Christian, as with the criteria for determining a prophet it has to be all or nothing so regarding the SDA church it comes to nothing in my opinion. I can only assume some of those folks on there, including the one I think is my cousin, are totally serious in their unwavering devotion to EGW. I'm telling you, I think they secretely get out some pretty beeds and say their Hail Ellens before truning in at night! Don't those folks even read their Bibles? You can give them Bible passage after Bible passage and they come back at you with their proof with EGW quotes! It's way spun. I looked up the Annoying Fiction website by Doug Botchlor several times but I refuse to do that anymore. It gave me the same creepy feeling as when my kids rented the Blair Witch movie and I glanced at it and when they watched The Exercerist and I came into the room and got a glimpse of it. It's he same icky felling of satanic spirit in the room that I get if I'm in a room where a Quiji board is being used. I just won't be in the presence of that sort of evil. I also get that creepy feeling in a Kingdom Hall (the JW places). I just won't allow that stuff in my presence. If I'm at someone elses place and it is going on I leave and I won't allow it at all in my house, and this includes that Doug Botchler stuff, I think it's all of satan. Remember, EGW's name equals 666 as a warning to stay away from her. At the same time though, Jeremy if you choose to go on those websites and you do it in prayer with the Holy Spirit guiding you then I am hoping and praying you can makeİsome breakthrough with those people, especially the one I think is my cousin. |
Doc
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Username: Doc
Post Number: 118
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:02 am: | |
Susan,
In reply to an earlier question, I don't think the SDAs here in Hungary are especially strict about food. I met a couple of SDA ladies at an interdenominational meeting once, and they were tucking into meat strew and coffee like the rest of us. Of couse, that is only one incident.
The CAF, which is the breakaway traditional group, are mainly vegetarians though. I think they consider themselves purer Adventists than the SDA.
Adrian
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Doc
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Username: Doc
Post Number: 119
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 12:10 am: | |
This animal organs in the brain stuff just sounds like one of those elaborate "passing the buck" excuses for why we sin.
You know, like what started with Eve and Adam, "the devil made me do it," and "well God, the woman YOU gave me made me do it."
In this case, "the overstimulated animal organs in my brain made me do it." I suppose seeing that God created us, including our brains, then that also involves blaming God in the long run.
I think it is only when someone stops passing the buck and acknowledges responsibility for their own sin can they actually get round to realising the need for forgiveness.
God bless,
Adrian |
Dennisrainwater
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Username: Dennisrainwater
Post Number: 98
Registered: 8-2000
| | Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 10:57 pm: | |
Colleen--
This is late to the gate, but your earlier mention of nostalgic feelings over the fragrance of the vegeburger stand wafting through campmeeting grounds brought back some powerful and warm-fuzzy memories for me. I can vividly recall standing in line outside the big open-air pavilion at campmeeting in Prescott, AZ (I was baptized there in '78 - but this memory is probably from when I was about 5 - which would have been '71), WAITING FOR SUNDOWN so we could buy our vegeburgers... That's a very special memory for me -- even if it does include the weirdness about waiting for sundown!
I also found that very same smell at the In-N-Out when we lived in Paradise. Actually, In-N-Out is one of the most important items on the short list of things I miss about California since we've moved here to lovely North Carolina (or, as my 5-year-old daughter says: Norf Careful-ina)!!
My two older daughters and I are flying out to California this coming weekend, so they can spend a week with my mom. She just got a miniature horse -- and just CAN'T WAIT for the girls to come out and see him!! Anyway, after seeing Mom, old friends, and enjoying a Sunday at our old church again, I can't wait to dash down to Chico for one more Double-Double at In-N-Out!!!
Thanks for the memories!!
Den <>< |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 29
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 6:14 pm: | |
Dennisrainwater,
Hehe, I also remember when I was a kid, waiting in line at the "snack bar" at campmeeting in Prescott, AZ on Saturday evening, waiting for them to open the snack bar. My favorite item was those vege corn dogs.
I actually grew up in Prescott. Lived there from 1986-1993. Still live in Arizona.
Jeremy |
Sheryl
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Username: Sheryl
Post Number: 17
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 6:30 pm: | |
I certainly remember Loma Linda products as a child. My brothers hated the vegeburger in the can, our Aunt put it in her chili. At that time you had the veggie links in the can, and whew, the taste was not good!! Church potlucks became difficult for me since I like to eat beef or chicken at times and no meat was allowed. My two daughters attended the SDA school for two years and loved the haystacks...never had to vege corn dogs though. |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 639
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 6:33 pm: | |
I have warm memories of campmeeting. Did any of you go to the camp meetings held at Lynwood Academy in CA?? When my youngest brother was about 7/8 years of age, Mom took him to the book store, after sundown on Saturday, and the lady there asked him what his favorite song was. My darling younger brother told her "Stranded in the Jungle".
That was a popular song that year and my brother liked it. My Mom was embarrassed and the lady was speechless. All of Mom's kids thought it was funny.
Just thought I would share my memories of camp meeting. I have not thought of that for a long time.
Diana |
Dennisrainwater
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Username: Dennisrainwater
Post Number: 99
Registered: 8-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 7:27 pm: | |
Hey Jeremy,
I liked those corndogs, too. But weirdly enough, I STILL like vegeburgers -- just not the ones out of the can!!! <shudder!>
I'd guess 'Prescit' was a pretty good place to grow up... I sure loved being up there for junior camp and campmeeting as a kid... Beat the heck out of Chandler and the hot Phoenix valley!
As an aside, the pastor of the church we were members of in Paradise, CA until we moved a year ago, was on the pastoral staff of what sounds like a large non-denom. church in Prescott. His parents live practically across the road from Camp Yavapines...
Ah, the memories!
Den <>< |
Cindy
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Username: Cindy
Post Number: 701
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 5:46 am: | |
Diana, I remember the old campmeetings at Lynwood Academy...the sight of rows and rows of pitched tents, smells of sawdust, tastes of corn dogs with tarter sauce! It was great fun for a child--unconcerned with the crazy theology being taught there!
I remember they had to quit those campmeetings because of fire hazards, I think, and moved the "campmeeting" to some Long Beach convention center for weekend "convocations"....just a big social occasion for teenagers.
That was many years ago; another lifetime for me.
grace always,
cindy |
Flyinglady
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Post Number: 645
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 8:23 pm: | |
Cindy,
You are right. They were big social events rather than spiritual events for me. The only things I remember as I think back, besides my brother embarrassing Mom was the stories told by Uncle Arthur.
Did you go to Lynwood Academy and if so what years? Just curious.
That was another lifetime for me also. Thank God for his awesome love and bringing me to where I am.
Diana |
Cindy
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Post Number: 703
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| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 3:31 pm: | |
Diana, I lived there--walking distance from the school--during my 1st thru 4th gradeschool years (late 1950's to early 1960's). How about you?
grace always,
cindy
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Flyinglady
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Post Number: 652
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 5:09 pm: | |
Cindy, I am a bit older than you. I graduated from Lynwood in 1958, a looooong time ago.
Diana |
Cindy
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Post Number: 704
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 8:27 am: | |
Diana, so we were there at the same time, just diferent classrooms!
cindy |
Flyinglady
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Post Number: 656
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| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 1:18 pm: | |
Cindy,
I like the way you put that, we were there at the same time, just different classrooms. Very True!
You are so diplomatic.
After campmeeting went to Long Beach I do not remember going. It took the fun out of camp meeting. Like you, the theology I do not remember to much of except the Sabbath. God is so good to have brought each of us out of Adventism. I am constantly reminded of how awesome He is.
Diana |
Vchowdhury1
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Post Number: 59
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 2:44 pm: | |
Flyinglady and Cindy, what a coincidence. I graduated from Lynwood in 1974. When you mentioned Long Beach, I was wondering if it was Long Beach, CA. I live about 5 minutes from Long Beach  I attended Lynwood Elementary School (1969-1970)and Lynwood Academy (1970-1974). You know, Lynwood Elementary and Academy were torn down a few years ago to make room for Lynwood Public High School. The city of Lynwood wanted the land that Lynwood Academy was built on so they can build a new public school. The sda conferance began fighting the city of Lynwood over this because the conferance wanted more money for the land than the city was offering. The legal battle started about 1970, with the conferance finally losing the legal battle to the city in 1993(?). Lynwood Public High School is now where Lynwood acadmy used to be. Remember the Lynwood Academy auditorium facing Imperial Hwy? Now, its a huge public high school. |
Flyinglady
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Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 664
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 6:42 pm: | |
Vchowdhury,
So you went to Lynwood Elementary and Academy also?? What a small world. Those days were so long ago for me. I went to Bellflower Elementary SDA School, then to Lynwood Academy. I guess that is telling my age. But that is okay. I never did like going to the academy. Any way that is in the far distant past and I am so thankful. God rescued each of us from Satan's clutches and what we learned at the SDA schools. THANK YOU GOD. YOU ARE AWESOME.
DIANA
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Cindy
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Username: Cindy
Post Number: 706
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| | Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2004 - 6:29 am: | |
Vchowdhury, I hadn't know that about Lynwood Academy being sold. I spent many hours as a child rollerskating in the old auditorium--my grandfather was the custodian with keys to get us in for extra skating time. I remember the floor--concrete and huge (to a kids' eyes)--a great skating area!
And yes, it was Long Beach, CA...
grace always,
cindy |
Pheeki
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Post Number: 406
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2004 - 2:01 pm: | |
That is the second story I have heard about a city taking SDA land. In Texas (across from the Texas conf. building and neighboring SDA church) the SDA owned a bunch of really nice land. The city decided to annex it and offered them some money for it, the SDA didn't think it was enough and a legal battle ensued. The SDA lost the land...I don't think they were paid for it at all (I think the city condemned it or something sneaky). Doesn't seem like they should be able to do that. I'm not sure what started the battle, I don't know if the SDA were being greedy or if the city was wanting to underpay.
Why does this keep happening to God's remnant?
Now the land is a municipal golf course. All the SDA's can watch the Babylonians golfing out the SS windows! |
Colleentinker
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Post Number: 840
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2004 - 10:16 am: | |
Pheeki, there is such a perverse, ironic humor in that situation!
Colleen |
Flyinglady
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Post Number: 667
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2004 - 4:41 pm: | |
Colleen,
I was so tired when I read Pheeki's comment, yesterday, I could not make a comment. I like what you wrote-there is such a perverse, ironic humor in that situation!! I agree with it.
Diana |
Jeremy
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Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 50
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2004 - 5:28 pm: | |
Speaking of Prescott, AZ and "perverse, ironic humor"... ;-)
The old SDA church in Prescott was torn down in the 1980s, and a grocery store was built in that location. The deli/meat section and the lobster tank were where the sanctuary had been. ;-)
Den, yes growing up in Prescott was great. I have many fond memories of it.
One of the things I remember about Camp Yavapines is that "infamous" stench from the septic system... ;-) Although I suppose the theology taught there stinks worse... 
Jeremy |
