| Author |
Message |
Loneviking
Registered user
Username: Loneviking
Post Number: 290
Registered: 7-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 4:54 pm: |     |
Dennis, I need to introduce you to a ham and cheese sandwich. Then, to mixed roast beef and pork. If you lived close to me, I'd corrupt you real fast.  |
Colleentinker
Registered user
Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 1035
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 9:33 pm: | |
Hey, Dennisrainwater--thanks for sharing your experience! Isn't it amazing how the discovery that we have a psychological aberration like a phobia can be comforting?!
I think your "phobia", though, will not seriously inhibit you--you'll quite likely be able to live a normal life!
Colleen |
Flyinglady
Registered user
Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 801
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 1:00 pm: | |
I guess I have a phobia about pork also, to a certain degree. I can eat crumpled bacon in a salad, but to eat roast pork or pork in any other form is something I cannot do. That is due to my SDA upbringing and EGW counsels, ugh!!! I am sure, with God's help, I am working through all this. It is not a salvation issue and for that I am very thankful.
Diana |
Carol_2
Registered user
Username: Carol_2
Post Number: 209
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 3:41 pm: | |
Yes, these type phobias are not serious, and I chucked as I read Colleen's "you'll quite likely be able to live a normal life!"
As I mentioned before, I cannot eat any of the unclean seafood, none at all. Have tried once or twice and just couldn't even put it in my mouth. Think I did once swallow a tiny piece of lobster, but for some reason shrimp is the absolute grossest to me!
Yet pork doesn't bother me one little bit! Go figure. |
Colleentinker
Registered user
Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 1039
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2004 - 7:54 pm: | |
Carol, I've pondered the same thing. I love ham, but I can't get into seafood. I've decided that perhaps ham reminds me of beef (texture, general color, etc.) but seafood has a completely different taste and look. I'm not sure--
Colleen |
Pheeki
Registered user
Username: Pheeki
Post Number: 437
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 8:54 am: | |
I think the reason my family eats bacon now is because whoever invented "Stripples" took great pains to make it look like bacon. Thanks be to the lab person who concocted it so painsteakingly. |
Susan_2
Registered user
Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1187
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 11:16 am: | |
Stripples, what a crack-up. I hadn't thought of those things in years. I love Stripples, tomato and lettuce sandwiches. And, I'm always amazed how the lab people even got the Tuno to smell like tuna. Once years ago my mom made Tuno sandwiches for potluck. As usual, she left the food she'd brought in the church kitchen and then the ladies who set up for potluck take care of things. My moms sandwiches were never put out. After potluck the lady got them out of the refridgerator and gave them back to my mom. Even SDA's don't recognize their own stuff. It's like they invent the fake and then they don't recognise it as being their own bonified fake. |
Dennis
Registered user
Username: Dennis
Post Number: 247
Registered: 4-2000
| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 4:51 pm: | |
NEW CREDIT CARD FOR JEWS WON'T WORK ON SABBATH
An NBC reporter, Nira Arnon, wrote an article on the forthcoming new credit credit that won't work on Sabbath. Israel's largest bank, Bank Leumi, "and a group of ultra-conservative leaders and entrepreneurs see a business opportunity in this niche market. A special chip will be added to the card so that it won't work on the Sabbath, officials said."
The new credit card also will not work at Jewish shops that are open on Sabbath. "At a rally of thousands of yeshiva students and their rabbis at a Tel Aviv stadium" scheduled for January 10, 2005, those attending "will sign a petition stating they will not shop in stores that operate during the Sabbath..." The Jewish businesses that are open on Sabbath will be programmed into the new credit card; indeed, it is a boycott against those merchants who are not seriously observing the Sabbath. In other words, this new credit card amounts to a new Sabbath law in Israel.
Wow, this is an idea that the General Conference of SDA could somehow emulate. The GC could simply issue an SDA credit card to all adult baptismal candidates (they should all be credit worthy anyway). Thus, they would not be able to buy gas, food, clothing, etc. on the Sabbath. This would seriously restrict the mobility of the SDA hierarchy on the Sabbath as well. Feasibly, this proposed GC credit card would enhance the Adventist version of Sabbath-keeping worldwide. What a cool idea to assist the "remnant saints" in keeping the Sabbath more faithfully! I briefly mentioned my proposal to an SDA apologist today, and he disapproved of the idea already (smile). Oh well, I tried to solve a "serious" problem in contemporary Adventism.
Dennis J. Fischer |
Susan_2
Registered user
Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1190
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 6:51 pm: | |
Wouldn't your idea, Dennis, inhibit thousands of SDA's going to campmeeting, you know, the ones who go only for the Saturday getting to meet old friends tradition? I personally have known numerous SDA's who attend campmeeting only on Saturdays and then don't even attend any meetings. They just go to catch up with old friends. Sounds good to me. Maybe the conference that issues the cards could even program into them a block on any purchases from Christian bookstores so the SDA's have to purchase only SDA approved reading material from the ABC's. Also, they could block purchases from the natural foods stores so SDA's will have to only purchase their unnatural vegetarian foods through their roving case sales. |
Flyinglady
Registered user
Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 808
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 7:54 pm: | |
Dennis and Susan_2,
I laughed as I read you posts. But I would not be surprised if the SDAs tried this.
Diana |
Spokenfor
Registered user
Username: Spokenfor
Post Number: 54
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2004 - 5:25 am: | |
I was just scanning over this thread from a few days ago and read Colleen's post about Richard cooking and serving meat but not being able to eat it. My experience has been the same - I can and do cook it for my family but actually feel queasy in preparing it and can't even imagine putting it in my mouth. The funny part is that my sda parents have always eaten meat. My mother cooked some form of beef, chicken or fish for dinner every day but in grade school I began to have difficutly eating it. Thinking back, I vaguely recall being shown a 'movie' about a slaughterhouse at an early age (in an sda school of course). After that meat became repulsive to me and even though I think meat is a great source of protien and more healthy than most veggie meat substitutes I cannot bring myself to eat it. Negative brain washing for certain. I'm encouraged to find I'm not alone in suffering from this dilema! On the other hand, my husband was raised a vegetarian but he has no problem eating meat of any kind - he actually enjoys it. |
Jeremy
Registered user
Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 161
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2004 - 11:55 am: | |
Dennis and Susan, of course there would also need to be a block for movie theatres. How about a ban on restaraunts which don't follow the EGW "health reform message," too? Also, all sporting goods stores, too, as EGW condemned all sports.
You could probably get the list of "acceptable" businesses down to only a few businesses. ;-)
Jeremy |
Helovesme2
Registered user
Username: Helovesme2
Post Number: 61
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2004 - 12:19 pm: | |
and then there would be a monopoly and and the account the members money was in would automatically deduct the tithe, and . . . .
helovesme2 |
Esther
Registered user
Username: Esther
Post Number: 93
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 07, 2004 - 1:01 pm: | |
Dennis,
Just thought I'd tell you how God used your post today. Yesterday, I got a letter from a relative with an SDA produced page of information on the occurances in the world of the last couple of months regarding the coming sunday law. Although I know better than to let it rattle me, combined with my discussion over Jeremiah 33, it left me kind of down...so I prayed for God to give me comfort. Colleen eased my mind regarding Jeremiah, and you provided me with something to send back...lol, all about the "sabbath law". Though lighthearted, it really eased my heart.
I praise God in how He uses us to minister to each other! Thank you! |
Flyinglady
Registered user
Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 811
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 7:23 pm: | |
Helovesme2,
That bit about the tithe really caused me to laugh. It reminds me of when I worked my way through La Sierra and Loma Linda U and they deducted the tithe before I got my money. I am so very glad and happy those things are in the past and I do not have to dwell on them.
So I will laught instead.
God is good and so very awesome.
Diana |
Susan_2
Registered user
Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1199
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 7:54 pm: | |
Is that even legal to deduct the tithe from your paycheck? Did you have to sign to allow this? Couldn't that be taken to court? It sounds like stealing to me. |
Jeremy
Registered user
Username: Jeremy
Post Number: 166
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 8:06 pm: | |
Yes, they'll steal, covet, lie, and murder babies and ill people, but hey, they keep the "Ten Commandments," so they're the "Remnant Church"!!!
I really think they must believe that the "Ten Commandments" are:
1. Remember to keep the seventh-day Sabbath holy.
2. Remember to keep the seventh-day Sabbath holy.
3. Remember to keep the seventh-day Sabbath holy.
4. Remember to keep the seventh-day Sabbath holy.
5. Remember to keep the seventh-day Sabbath holy.
6. Remember to keep the seventh-day Sabbath holy.
7. Remember to keep the seventh-day Sabbath holy.
8. Remember to keep the seventh-day Sabbath holy.
9. Remember to keep the seventh-day Sabbath holy.
10. Remember to keep the seventh-day Sabbath holy.
That may be a bit sarcastic, but there is certainly some truth to it.
Jeremy |
Flyinglady
Registered user
Username: Flyinglady
Post Number: 814
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 8:17 pm: | |
Jeremy,
I laughed as I read your version of the 10 C.
Susan, yes, I signed a paper giving them permission to take out the tithe. It was like I had to sign that paper or I would not have a job. Looking back on it, if I had refused, I may not have had a job. I will never know. But as I have said before that is in the past and I no longer have to dwell on it.
God is too awesome to do otherwise.
Diana |
Susan_2
Registered user
Username: Susan_2
Post Number: 1201
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 08, 2004 - 8:51 pm: | |
Jeremy, I have never met n Adventist that keeps the seventh day holy according to the Bible rules of keeping it holy. If they did they would all be having home churches because one of the rules was not to travel. And, not to spark a fire and I know enough about cars to know that after the ignition is turned on the pistons spark up and then the car turnes on. I could think of numerous examples but really I have yet to meet a SDA person who follows the Bibical mandates for proper Sabbath keeping. Not only that, but EGW added a lot more can't and have-to's on Sabbath keeping.such as men are not to shave on the Sabbath. There are more than that one example. |
Speakeasy
Registered user
Username: Speakeasy
Post Number: 208
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 10:07 am: | |
Last week I was flipping the channels and I know I am speeling his name wrong Doug Batchler was talking how important keeping the one commandnent that the whole world forgot. Man he really makes it sound like you need to keep the Sabbath and if you do not you have sinned. Just listening and watching that mad me have "sabbath Guilt"
His storyies and presentation really makes you feel you have missed the mark of the Saving grace of God.
speakeasy |
Raven
Registered user
Username: Raven
Post Number: 137
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 10:36 am: | |
I know what you mean, Speakeasy. We still have "Signs of the Times" coming to our house because it was a gift subscription. Every so often there is an article in there by Doug Batchelor. He is a very convincing speaker/writer, and I think that's why he is so influential in the SDA church. I know at the SDA church we left, he is practically revered by almost everyone.
Most of the time, I throw the SDA magazines directly into the trash, because the last thing I need is more confusion creeping in when I've been so enjoying the simpleness and freedom of the gospel. I've never bothered to watch any of the SDA TV programs, and I sure don't plan to start now! |
Speakeasy
Registered user
Username: Speakeasy
Post Number: 209
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 11:28 am: | |
So how does a person combat or rebutt some of the things that these people are saying? I know I am saying it wrong we don't need to rebutt anything. But it is really hard not to say "You now what, Doug is correct"
what does a person do to calm his heart and mind. I am really having major struggles and inner peace on this and have been for 9 years
speakeasy |
Raven
Registered user
Username: Raven
Post Number: 138
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 12:49 pm: | |
I guess the best way to have your heart and mind calmed is to keep in communion with Jesus!
The reason the stuff Doug writes doesn't hold as much sway on me as it used to, is because I have seen the endpoint to the arguments. Those endpoints are nowhere close to Biblical, even if the viewpoints presented sound so harmless and correct. For example, SDA's lean towards perfection, but when it is taken to its full intended extreme according to EGW interpretation, it's nothing but salvation by works and it is also totally hopeless because it can't be done. Regarding Sabbath, SDA's are so quick to point out how critical it is because of it being a part of the 10 Commandments. And yet I see examples all around me of no SDA having a clue what it means to "keep Sabbath" today. Everyone has a different idea and there are no consistencies. Not to mention the fact that SDA's make such a huge deal out of that one commandment when it is barely mentioned in the New Testament, and Sabbath-breaking isn't discussed as a sin there either.
Basically, if what someone says sounds so right, think it through to its full logial conclusion, and then see if that adds up to what the Bible teaches about the gospel of Jesus. |
Colleentinker
Registered user
Username: Colleentinker
Post Number: 1107
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 1:57 pm: | |
Great advice, Raven!
Colleen |
Belvalew
Registered user
Username: Belvalew
Post Number: 81
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 7:32 pm: | |
Dear Raven & Colleen,
The whole argument seems to be about how one applies the scriptures. Liken the NT to a telescope. If you look into the wide end (lens end) of it the thing you are looking at seems small and far away. If you look into the small end (the eye piece) you can view distant things as though they are very close and details are easier to see. As Christians we look at the law and the prophets (old testiment) throught the lens of the NT and thus can see the fulfillment of the promises made in the OT.
As long as someone insists on looking through the telescope the wrong way you can never convince them about anything they are looking at. What they see will be too hazy and too distant for them to even know what they are looking at. As long as someone insists on looking at Christ through the lens of the OT, you are still going to come out the other side seeing laws and prophecies, and saying (as the Jews still do) that the laws and prophecies are not perfectly fulfilled in Jesus because there were still prophecies that hadn't been fulfilled by the time of Jesus' death on the cross.
With the lens of the NT looking at Christ first and then at the law and the prophets you see that Christ has perfectly fulfilled all of the prophecies up until the point of his death. Given that fulfillment, it is not hard at all to accept that he will complete all ultimate fulfillment at a future date when he returns to reign over his people.
I find it interesting that there is only one book of the NT that was written for the sole purpose of making it clear to the Jewish converts who Jesus actually is. That book is the only book in the entire new testiment that has much at all to say about the sabbath, and it makes it absolutely clear that the sabbath was a shadow and that the substance was Jesus. Once that point was fully made Hebrews went on to say that there will be an ultimate day of rest, and it is clear by the Greek word used that it means one particular day, not a weekly recurring day. In my opinion, when you have one single day (ultimate freedom from sin day--when Jesus returns for his people) that you are awaiting, you don't need to distract yourself with going through the shadow motions. The shadow has already met substance. Hebrews makes that clear. Then Hebrews went on to give us 24/7 rest through the observance that we have rest TODAY. Hebrews was the only book in the NT that was written to explain the fulfillment of the plan of salvation to sabbath keepers and it told those people that Jesus was Sabbath, and the day was Today. The only way to miss that fact when reading Hebrews is to read it through the lens of EGW. |
Raven
Registered user
Username: Raven
Post Number: 140
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 7:55 pm: | |
What an excellent illustration, Belvalew! I agree completely. |
Speakeasy
Registered user
Username: Speakeasy
Post Number: 210
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 9:31 pm: | |
Like the other day. I heard an SDA preacher say "A young man came to the alter and said Pastor I want to say I just had sex and it was not with my wife. I want to get back with God and not do this again and get right with God and the PAstor said okay lets do this. But another man came up and said I have broken the Sabbath and want to confess this sin and get back on the path of Jesus and the pastor said we are not under the law but under grace" The SDA preacher said how can observing a commandment that is all about rest can have anything to do with working for your salvation?
He sounds so good in his arguments. he had 8 or 9 of these types of arguments of keeping the forth commandment. You said above I don't worry to much about this stuff because I know how the arguement carrys out to the end. You may know but thewre is 1,000's out here that don't and this type of teaching from these people "HAUNT" Me!!
speakeasy |
