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Max
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 3:02 pm: |     |
Just keep pushing those Christmas trees of
pagan origin, Maryann! |
Maryann
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 6:10 pm: | |
Yeh!!!!!!, and just who grew those trees?!;-) It seems to me that the origin of Christmas trees, Redwood trees, Oak trees, Olive trees etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. infinity etc. is God!
He he he he he he haw........Maryann:-);-)) |
George
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 6:28 pm: | |
Hi to all of you,
It has taken a while but I am fianlly on the internet, sitting at my own computer, thanks to some help from some real nice people.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!
Now all I have to do is figure out what I said last, and see if I can catch up on what is going on.
George |
George
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 6:37 pm: | |
Hay,
What ever happened to Keyword Search?
George |
Max
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 6:49 pm: | |
Welcome back, George!
Praise God you're hale and hearty and have
your own computer to hack away on.
Keyword Search, according to Webmaster
Tinker, isn't working for some murky reason I
can't remember. |
Valm
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 7:00 pm: | |
I tried to respond this am and my message didn't go through. If this goes through, I will write back. Val |
Cindy
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 7:04 pm: | |
Hi George....Welcome Back!
I've wondered what you've been up to...Glad you can post again!
Grace always,
Cindy
P.S. I just heard a song on the radio last night with the words different, but the tune the same to the old TV show "Welcome Back, Kotter". Do you remember that show?
Anyway, the words were saying "Welcome back!" to the prodigal son; sung by the Father! Something about staying with the pigs too long and even though your brother's mad, we'll kill the fatted calf for you! I wish I knew who sang it and could remember more of the words...
Not to say you're the prodigal son, George! :-)) I was just reminded of hearing that song when I said "welcome back" to you! Maybe someone knows the words to it? |
Valm
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 7:22 pm: | |
I wrote at length this am and it didn't go through. I love your analogy MaryAnn about wagons and grooves; I have a similar one like the "fly to the lightbulb" we just can't help ourselves. Max don't you think a purpose of the Bible is to provide comfort? I am just coming to a point in my life where I get comfort from the Bible; I hope that is one of the points.
Well Allenette, I'll give this eggshell thing a try.
WHY I MIGHT SEEM TO WALK ON EGGSHELLS with regards to EGW:
First and foremost because people I love dearly regaurd her as a voice for God. While I completely disagree with her views, I am careful not to be disrespectful because of this. I am grooming myself to eventually be able to discuss these matters with my family. If I learn to be disrespectful in my comments rather than maintain verbage of respect and compassion, I will only offend my family, put them on the defense and alienate myself to them. I want to be careful with my words lest they become emotionally charged are inflammatory.
I wish to be careful to discuss only the facts. Have you ever spoken with someone and you were following them pretty well and then they say something you know not to be true? When that happens to me the persons arguement or expository looses credibility. If I present issues or misinformation that they can refute, that puts them in a postition to easily disregard what I have to say.
Finally, it has been my principle to always show another religious point of view as much respect as I would want for myself. My spiritual views have been disrespected and trampled on by my family ever since I left the SDA church. It has been painful to me. I won't return this treatment with bad behavior on my part and won't do it to any one else.
I don't bat 1000 on these. But I try. I don't wish to go soft on the issues but want to learn to be able to articulate them calmly and clearly with as little misinformation as possible in a considerate manner.
Maryann, pagan or not I love a norway spruce. I like them almost touching the ceiling and fat!!!!
My understanding on Christmas trees is they actually come from an old german tradition of how the creche scene was displayed before trees. They made a triangular rack with shelves to place the creche pieces. The triangle was to represent the trinity. Eventually the triangle became a tree and the creche scene was placed under the tree. Just another way of looking at things.
Valerie |
George
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 7:43 pm: | |
Thanks Max for the welcome back.
Cindy, yes I do remember the show "Welcome Back, Kotter" it is one of those that I have very fond memories of.
Prodigal son? Could be. Well anyway it is nice to be back.
George |
Cindy
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 8:05 pm: | |
Hello again, All...
Valerie, your statement, "it has been my principle to always show another religious point of view as much respect as I would want for myself", was a good one.
It reminded me of Dave Berry's "Things that it took me 50 years to learn"...He wrote:
"People who want to share their religious views with you almost never want you to share yours with them."
And on a lighter note,
"Never under any circumstance take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night." :-))
and,
"You should never say anthing to a woman that even remotely suggests that you think she's pregnant unless you can see an actual baby emerging from her at that moment." :-)) :-))
And one I love:
"Nobody cares if you can't dance well. Just get up and dance."
Like a recent song says, "If you get the chance to sit it out...or dance; I hope you dance!"
Grace always,
Cindy |
Max
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 8:22 pm: | |
Hi Val,
^^Max don't you think a purpose of the Bible is
to provide comfort?^^
Absolutely. I was only wondering why Allenette
thought so.
I think our REASONS for thinking so may differ.
Many reject Jesus Christ because they
mistakenly believe that comfort is what it's all
about. John Steinbeck's great novel GRAPES
OF WRATH illustrates this attitude well.
I think comfort is a RESULT of amazing, free,
costly grace. Comforter is one of the Holy
Spirit's names is, after all.
Max of the Cross |
Maryann
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 9:23 pm: | |
Hi George, Cindy, Val and Max;-)
Hey George, I don't know whether or not to welcome you!;-) Hmmmmmmmm? I'll think about it for a while and decide if I'll welcome you at some future date;-):-)
For any one that thinks that I am being mean to George, you are right! But I have that unique right as he is my BIG brother! He he he he he!;-)
Hey Cindy, having you back and now George is like having a family reunion huh?
Val, the new kid stormin' the block. About the Christmas trees. My grandmother, (well, George's too;-) used to put real, genuine candles on the Christmas tree when "our" mom was a kid, (this was the major event of the year for mom. You have to realize that she saw her first electric light in 1934 when she was 12 years old!!!!! So, this candle lighting was really a big deal. I'll write the story and post it under the "Memories" thread I hope tonight.
Max, I just love it when you give me a chance to "get" you! Thank you;-):-}}
:):):):):).........Maryann |
George
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - 11:24 pm: | |
Now Maryann, when I think of all the things I could have said to you my first time back and didn't say......... but, since you brought it up I will just have to say that used one of the privileges of being a big brother and just ignored the little sister.So whether you welcome me back or not just doesn't matter. I think that just about says it all.:-)
I have talked to several people in the store in the last little while that had the live candles on the Xmas trees when they were little. I wonder it that would get by the fire codes these days. Ha!!!
I think it would be interesting to see if more people died of candle started fires or those started by electric lights. Then you would have to try to figure out which was the safest per 10,000 people.
George |
Allenette
| | Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 7:48 pm: | |
Hi Valm: Well, you asked so I'll tell (again):
I'm a former SDA, PK, and as they say with "pride" elsewhere, "3rd gen SDA" (???) and for the last 30+ years, an agnostic from, I think, honest research. There are plenty of times when I get fed up, or just frustrated, on here, with the non-intellectual (not that I'm such a smartie, which I'm NOT!!) posturings and sometimes I let off steam gggg (thank you the Tinkers ;-) and chuck it all and go back into the woodwork.
But...there is this, I dunno, tribal attraction I guess, which draws me back every now and then and when you (or I) least expect it, I find something that pushes my buttons and then I spew. ;-)
If you find some of my posts funny then GOOD. I dont think I'm a vicious former (there are worse than me, trust me ggg) but I am definitely NOT politically correct and I cannot stand airy-fairy
mystic spiritual postulating.
Maybe I'm the Matt Drudge of FAF? GGGG |
Denisegilmore
| | Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 8:15 pm: | |
Matt Dillon I've heard of but who is Matt Drudge?? |
Max
| | Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 9:19 pm: | |
Denise, go to:
http://www.wisecat.co.uk/monica2.html
and read up on Matt Drudge -- more than you'll
ever want to know. |
Denisegilmore
| | Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 9:41 pm: | |
Thank you Max. I'll go there late night. Somehow I get the feeling that this a somebody that I really don't want to know..hmmm. :) |
Max
| | Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2000 - 11:57 pm: | |
Only to share the gospel. |
Denisegilmore
| | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2000 - 12:20 am: | |
Having gone there. You are right Max.
God Bless,
Denise
P.S. See you tomorrow at FAF. |
Valm
| | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2000 - 7:05 am: | |
Dear Allenette, It is people like you who keep life amusing. I would bet you would be first on many party lists!!!!!!
Don't go back into the woodwork its better out here. And more amsuing for the rest of us. We might even be of service to you if you stay out.
I don't know if I have shared this online but I will now give you a part of my story.
The only God I knew was the picture of God that was painted for me as a child. He was pretty unlikeable. Somewhere along the way I decided that to serve such a God would be like being in an absolutely loveless and abusive marriage only to be kept or to survive. I figured I wouldn't want to spend an eternity with such a God anyway so I chucked the whole religion thing for a while.
There were two thngs that I did remember from my childhood Bible study that pulled me out. They were the Biblical analogies of God as ourlover and God as our parent.
My marriage isn't perfect but I know that there isn't a thing either of us could do that the other wouldn't eventually forgive. And despite the sense of humor aging has on my body, my husband still wishes to reach out for me physically in a very giving way. If our relationship with God is compared to two lovers, and such thngs are possible here on earth, than I want to be part of his kingdom.
On parenting. Once I had my children that made another impression on me. I love my children with a passion. When they came I learned alot about what God might be. I found myself doing things I never invisioned for another person. I found their were times that I did get angry, frustrated ect. But the bottom line was I loved them and no matter what they were doing or would do, that love would not seperate us. I figured that if God called himself Father, that perhaps he had this kind of love for his children also.
I am starting to read the Bible with a different perspective. Instead of with the conditional damning perspective I am reading it with a perspective that God is the IDEAL parent or lover.
Tribal attraction? You don't give yourself enough credit. You may be responding to your deep belief that there is something higher than yourself that you desire to be connected to. Put the research away and let yourself go. You might just become even livelier than you are now.
Take good care Allenette and may you find God in the everyday activities of your life. Valerie |
Max
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 05, 2000 - 2:24 am: | |
Science and Seventh-day Adventism: Is "the
church" wrong about caffeine too?
AHA Recommendation: MODERATE COFFEE
CONSUMPTION DOESNķT SEEM TO BE
HARMFUL
Caffeine has many metabolic effects,
including:
* stimulation of the central nervous system
* release of free fatty acids from adipose
tissue
* changes in kidney function that can reduce
body water and lead to dehydration
Caffeine is present in beverages including
coffee, tea, soft drinks and chocolate. Whether
high intakes of caffeine increases the risk of
coronary heart disease is still under study.
Many studies have been done to see if there's
a direct link between caffeine, coffee drinking
and coronary heart disease. The scientific
evidence that's resulted is conflicting. Results
are inconsistent, which may be due to
methodological problems and confounding
dietary factors. However, moderate coffee
consumption doesn't seem to be harmful.
Source:
http://www.americanheart.org/Heart_and_Stro
ke_A_Z_Guide/caff.html |
Denisegilmore
| | Posted on Thursday, December 21, 2000 - 3:32 am: | |
COFFEE MAY HELP PROTECT AGAINST BLADDER CANCER:
By Emma Ross
Associated Press, London. December 12, 2000
Drinking coffee regularly might protect smokers from bladder cancer, a new study suggests, finding that bladder cancer was about half as likely to occur in smokers who regularly drank coffee as in smokers who did not.
This could suggest that the coffee consumption modifies the effect of tobacco smoking," said Dr. Gonzalo Lopez-Abente, the Spanish researcher who led the study, published this week in the London-based Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health.
Experts not connected with the research had mixed reactions to the findings, however, ranging from the view that they highlight the often-unexpected protective benefits of substances found in food to the opinion that the study's methodology was flawed.
All agreed, however, that the best way to reduce the chance of getting bladder cancer is to stop smoking.
In the study, smokers who drank coffee still had triple the chance of developing the disease as nonsmokers who drank coffee. But smokers who didn't drink coffee were seven times as likely to get the disease as nonsmokers who did not drink it.
The possibility that coffee-drinking might offer some protection to smokers arose some years ago when we had observed that there could be a little increase of bladder cancer risk for coffee drinking, but this risk was only observable in nonsmokers." said Lopez-Abente of the Carlos lll health institute in Madrid, Spain.
Smoking is recognized as a leading cause of bladder cancer. Experts estimate that about 50 percent of these cancers in men and 30 percent in women are due to smoking.
Cigarette use increases the risk for bladder cancer by two to five times and, when smokers quit, their risk declines in two to four years, according to the U.S. National Caner Institute.
The Spanish study involved 497 people with baldder cancer, who were compared with 1,100 people without the disease. They were all asked about their smoking and coffee-drinking habits. Those who drank less than two cups of coffee a week were classified as non-coffee drinkers.
The mechanisms suggested for the apparent protective effects of coffee are quite plausible," said Ian Johnson, head of intestinal physiology and cellular metabolism at the Institute of Food Research.
But it is worth noting that substances found in vegetables like broccoli and brussel sprouts exert similar biochemical effects, and may be even more protective against tobacco-related cancers." Johnson said.
Dr. Robert Huddart, a cancer expert at the Royal Marsden Hospital and the Institute of Cancer Research in London said the study raises an interesting hypothesis that needs to be tested by tother scientists before real confidence can be placed in it.
Dr. Annie Sasco, chief of epidemiology for cancer prevention at the International Agency for Research on Cancer, part of the World Health Organization, was less impressed.
It sounds a little bizzare," Sasco said, There is nothing about potential other sources of caffiene, such as tea and Coca-Cola, and it's very strange to categorize people who drink two cups of coffee a week as non-coffee drinkers."
I don't find it very convincing at all," she said.
The Associated Press, copyright 2000 |
Max
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2001 - 1:29 pm: | |
STUDY SHOWS COFFEE NOT LINKED TO
THE RISK OF COLON CANCER
A new study has found people who drink
coffee may have a slightly lower risk of
colorectal cancer. Dr. Edward Giovannucci, of
the Harvard School of Public Health, led this
meta-analysis, and called it a "reassurance
study," adding, "While the study certainly
doesn't show a positive or increased risk, it is
a tentative conclusion that suggests a
potential benefit."
"A lot of people enjoy coffee. In terms of coffee,
there is not much to worry about in terms of
colorectal cancer," commented Giovannucci.
Study looked at past studies
The study, published in the June 1, 1998
issue of the American Journal of
Epidemiology, is a meta-analysis - a
comprehensive review and analysis of date
from earlier studies. This review of 17 existing
studies found that people who drink four or
more cups of coffee a day showed a 24
percent lower risk of colorectal cancer
compared with those who rarely or never
drank coffee. Due to the inconsistencies in the
way some of the data were originally collected,
it is not possible to safely conclude coffee
actually lowers cancer risk. The results do
clearly exclude any increase in risk, however.
Dr. Giovannucci is a nationally known expert in
the area of dietary and other cancer risk
factors. He has published studies that
suggested an increased risk in colorectal
cancer among smokers; studies that
suggested folic acid found in fruits and
vegetables decreases the risk of developing
colon cancer; as well as exercise's potential
for decreasing the risk of colorectal cancer.
The study did not collect new data, but was a
combined analysis of all previous studies that
looked at coffee consumption in relation to
colon cancer.
Of the 17 studies, five were "prospective"
studies, to which researchers give the most
weight because they record dietary habits,
including coffee consumption before disease
occurs, and track how many people
subsequently develop colorectal cancer. In the
case of coffee, these studies were
inconclusive, and there were not really enough
studies to look at, he added.
The remaining studies were "case-control,"
meaning researchers questioned people after
they were diagnosed with colorectal cancer to
determine how much coffee they previously
drank and compared these estimates with
those of people without colorectal cancer.
These studies consistently found that the
more coffee consumed, the lower the risk of
colorectal cancer.
Future studies needed
Dr. Giovannucci said that more research is
needed to determine if there is "Ötruly a
protective association, or some bias in the
studies."
One of the reasons the study is important, he
said, is that coffee is chemically complex, with
properties that can be shown to either cause
or prevent mutations. It would be a very long
and complicated process to create enough
cell cultures in the laboratory to determine the
effects of all of its compounds, he said. An
epidemiological study, like this one, is a more
efficient way of looking at coffee, he added.
While still speculative, some earlier studies
have found that some compounds in coffee
seemed to be anti-mutagenic, to prevent DNA
damage. Another of the speculative
explanations for coffee's benefit, according to
Giovannucci, is that coffee increases
intestinial motility, or movement of the bowels,
that can accelerate the rate at which the colon
expels waste. In a small study, he said, this
acceleration was found in 53 percent of the
women and 19 percent of the men. This
means that any cancer-causing chemicals in
food are expelled faster and have less contact
time with the intestinal lining.
Coffee has been the subject of a wide range
of studies, looking at its link to cancer, heart
disease and infertility. Because coffee is
inconsistently used (many people prepare it
differently, add cream and sugar, or smoke a
cigarette while they drink), proving a direct link
between coffee and disease is complicated
for researchers, who must take such variables
into account. Although these are occasionally
contrary studies (attributed to difficulty posed
by these other factors), the vast majority of
studies agree that coffee has not been shown
conclusively to have a link to bladder, breast,
lung, pancreatic, prostate or any other
cancers.
-From the American Cancer Society
http://www2.cancer.org |
Max
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2001 - 1:37 pm: | |
HIGHLIGHTS FROM ABOVE POST
¸ People who drink coffee may have a slightly
LOWER risk of colorectal cancer.
¸ The vast majority of studies agree that coffee
has NOT been shown conclusively to have a
link to bladder, breast, lung, pancreatic,
prostate or ANY other CANCERS.
¸ People who drink FOUR OR MORE cups of
coffee a day showed a 24 percent LOWER
RISK of colorectal cancer compared with
those who RARELY OR NEVER drank coffee.
¸ The study [was] published in the June 1,
1998 issue of the AMERICAN JOURNAL OF
EPIDEMIOLOGY. |
Valm
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2001 - 2:18 pm: | |
Dear Max, Do have stock in coffee companies:)?
This is good stuff to know. I used to feel so worried about drinking a mocha now and then, I think the worrying is more likely to kill me than anything.
I am high risk for colorectal cancer... maybe I should drink four mochas (skinny of course) a day!!!
Valerie |
Max
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2001 - 3:12 pm: | |
Valerie, bless your heart and soul, I hardly
ever drink "sissy coffee" -- mochas,
cappuchinos, lattes, .... I prefer real coffee --
black, no sugar -- macho, not mocha!
And yet, and yet .... the kingdom of heaven is
STILL not meat and drink. |
Denisegilmore
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 02, 2001 - 3:56 pm: | |
Yep, that's me too, the 'macho' coffee drinker.
hehehe :)) I luvs my coffee! Oh yeah, and I luvs my chicken too!
God Bless,
Denise |
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